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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    100% correct. You're undoing all that hard conservation work, whatever it is by consuming animal products. It's hypocritical saying you are doing all this conversation work then wasting 1000's of gallons on water so you can have your cheese and milk. Just think about it for a moment and you will realise how ridiculous it actually is. It's like destroying a rainforest then planting 1 tree and claiming you are doing conservation work.

    I'm from a science background too and student quite a few climate modules as part of my degree so i'm not talking as a noob either. I've also done a lot of reading around the subject on my own accord and what the meat eating, cheese and milk drinking researching don't tell you in university is how bad their lifestyle choices are for the environment, and of course they wouldn't because they would all be exposed as hypocrites. University seems to be all about boosting your own ego rather than publishing anything that shows the whole picture. I.e. that eating cheese and drinking milk is bad for the environment, as is eating meat, and raising animals for meat
    You're not convincing anyone to your cause with all this you know. I mean literally I just want to go and have a burger now just knowing how much you will froth at the mouth about it, and I don't even eat meat....

    Also how can you publish a well known fact that has been published hundreds of times? Not sure you quite know how the publication process works.... (hint, it's about NEW science). You obviously haven't done that much reading if you haven't seen papers on that topic O-o
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    (Original post by redferry)
    You're not convincing anyone to your cause with all this you know. I mean literally I just want to go and have a burger now just knowing how much you will froth at the mouth about it, and I don't even eat meat....

    Also how can you publish a well known fact that has been published hundreds of times? Not sure you quite know how the publication process works.... (hint, it's about NEW science). You obviously haven't done that much reading if you haven't seen papers on that topic O-o
    Very churlish and childish. Go ahead, my conscience is clear.

    I do not trust meat-eating, cheese eating, milk drinking climate change scientists who do not acknowledge their diet is one of the biggest contributors to climate change. As far as I'm concerned if they fail to acknowledge this simple truth then all their work is biased for glossing over this important fact.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Why do you have to **** on idealistic naive people all the time with your facts CoolCavy is just your typical teenage girl that cares about animals that hasn't twigged how crappy and grey the world is and that to help animals you ahve to do counter intuitive things like let ****s shoot them.

    Well we subsidize farmers anyway don't we? Why not subsidize any damage caused by wildlife. Charity isn't the only way of stopping it, regulation and interference by states can do it surely.
    Because people need to actually do something if they care so much about these animals. Maybe if people realised then they would actually donate money to conservation/sustainable development efforts.

    I used to be like that but now I'm thinking of going into politics to solve the bloody problem!

    Not sure what you are getting at exactly but in Africa there's no way of regulating such huge swathes of land. You just get tonnes of poaching/illegal killing in most areas once hunting is banned. It's similar in the UK with grouse moors and hen harriers in fact.
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    (Original post by Captain Jack)
    Actually, yes - I already am. These are the conservation charities I pay money to:
    http://www.jackwallington.com/conservation-charities/

    I encourage others to do the same, even a little bit. Individually you obviously can't unless you are a millionaire, but on mass, we can all make a big difference.

    Start with the Scottish Wildcat Haven for some local impact conservation.
    That ain't going to save any elephants though

    Actually elephant conservation is bloody rolling in dosh, wish we had that much for wild dogs and cheetahs They're endangered as well, not just bloody 'vulnerable', pssshh

    I always say the best thing anyone can do for conservation is to get filthy stinking rich and buy up land and protect it/donate to world land trust. Wish I had done it, I'd be having far more of an impact than I do now...
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    (Original post by Captain Jack)
    Actually, yes - I already am. These are the conservation charities I pay money to:
    http://www.jackwallington.com/conservation-charities/

    I encourage others to do the same, even a little bit. Individually you obviously can't unless you are a millionaire, but on mass, we can all make a big difference.

    Start with the Scottish Wildcat Haven for some local impact conservation.
    Yes. :five:

    Also, if you have any actual nature under your control, look after it, care for it, think about how it can be pro-wildlife. This can be anything from a patch of grass outside your back door to a park you regularly visit or a patch of countryside you care about and be part of. There are an awful lot of humans, but the more we all think and care about what we do and our surroundings, the better things will get.
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    (Original post by CoolCavy)
    This is so sad. It isn't even that he poached the elephant to sell the ivory to feed his family. He did it for pure sickening 'fun'. Dispicable

    http://www.youtubesub.com/news?id=14...wean-game-park

    What did he do wrong? He paid for the elephant, so it's his. He can do what he wants with it.

    If there's any problem at all, the first thing you should focus on is the idea that you can't sell animals - just like you can't sell humans. Then that will massively decrease animal killing. Humans aren't killed as trophies because they can't be bought as trophies. Killing a mega expensive animal is a big deal to hunters, and you know why? The bit in bold.
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    Very churlish and childish. Go ahead, my conscience is clear.

    I do not trust meat-eating, cheese eating, milk drinking climate change scientists who do not acknowledge their diet is one of the biggest contributors to climate change. As far as I'm concerned if they fail to acknowledge this simple truth then all their work is biased for glossing over this important fact.
    That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

    That's like saying you don't trust a single person that's overweight, because they do not acknowledge that their diet is causing them to be unhealthy, and this means they're stupid. Most fat people know what they're doing to their bodies, they just think the benefits outweigh the disadvantages.

    Same for Scientists who eat meat. A Scientist is allowed to do whatever the hell he wants. If I met a dentist, qualified doctor etc, and he had 30 years of dentistry experience, I'm not going to ignore his advice because his teeth aren't perfect. Just because he knows something, doesn't mean he has to follow the facts, he can do whatever the hell he wants.
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    (Original post by redferry)
    That ain't going to save any elephants though
    Some of the other charities I listed will. Personally, I think it's more important to focus on buying up land and protecting that as wild habitats (as you go on to discuss below).

    Actually elephant conservation is bloody rolling in dosh, wish we had that much for wild dogs and cheetahs They're endangered as well, not just bloody 'vulnerable', pssshh

    I always say the best thing anyone can do for conservation is to get filthy stinking rich and buy up land and protect it/donate to world land trust. Wish I had done it, I'd be having far more of an impact than I do now...
    I totally agree with you there, it's important to give all endangered living things a fighting chance. Protecting habitat is the way to do it.

    Did you ever read about the multi millionaire publisher, Felix Dennis? When he died he bought an entire forest for exactly this reason. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening...d-fortune.html
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    (Original post by Roving Fish)
    Glad to see that you got a nice looking theme finally!
    Do you like it? I'm still not sure. I think it needs to be more magaziney on the homepage.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Yes. :five:

    Also, if you have any actual nature under your control, look after it, care for it, think about how it can be pro-wildlife. This can be anything from a patch of grass outside your back door to a park you regularly visit or a patch of countryside you care about and be part of. There are an awful lot of humans, but the more we all think and care about what we do and our surroundings, the better things will get.
    Exactly. Recycle, give nature a helping hand. Doesn't take much but really helps.

    One thing I learnt is to be organic as a gardener, and never use compost with peat in.
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    (Original post by ComputerMaths97)
    That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

    That's like saying you don't trust a single person that's overweight, because they do not acknowledge that their diet is causing them to be unhealthy, and this means they're stupid. Most fat people know what they're doing to their bodies, they just think the benefits outweigh the disadvantages.

    Same for Scientists who eat meat. A Scientist is allowed to do whatever the hell he wants. If I met a dentist, qualified doctor etc, and he had 30 years of dentistry experience, I'm not going to ignore his advice because his teeth aren't perfect. Just because he knows something, doesn't mean he has to follow the facts, he can do whatever the hell he wants.
    your examples are a bit different and not really relevant to the topic of climate change. The plain and simple truth of the matter is that eating meat, cheese and drinking milk is bad for the environment. If a scientist doesn't acknowledge this anywhere in their research and bangs on about killing Venison then I cannot take them seriously. Any good, honest, impartial scientist would acknowledge that the dairy and meat industries are bad for this planet. redferry for god knows what reasons thinks it is okay to kill animals on environmental reasons. She is completely neglecting the fact that the animals have been eating, ****ting, adding lots of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere before they are killed. If you really cared about the environment you should stop eating meat and consuming animal products.

    If you want to kill venisons on environmental grounds, you might as well kill humans too, because we're doing the most environmental damage to this planet.
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    Pretty embarrassing for a PhD climate change student to be lecturing vegans about climate change when they believe shooting animals which they raise for meat is good for the environment :rolleyes:

    Why don't you become a vegan if you really care about the planet?
    What a dumb thing to say.

    People are not allowed to care for the planet but eat meat? What a pile of rubbish.
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    This saddens me greatly. It never sits well in my stomach but the arguments for and against are still there and I cannot deny that. Personally it sickens me that an animal whether it be a dog or elephant is killed for nothing more than fun, yet I still eat meat for pleasure of taste, so do I have any right to berate someone else?

    I do agree it is a little sadistic to get so much joy from the process of taking a life, I see it as no different to taking a human life in all honesty. But I've actually been part of the process so perhaps seeing life leave an animal has scarred me.

    The fact that we choose whether or not this animal deserves to live or die has never sat well for me either, sure I understand we will know better but to so casually say this living thing should lose it's life for the better or others is just.. I have no words. Imagine a scenario where you learn that your life will be taken to 'preserve nature'.
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    (Original post by ComputerMaths97)
    What a dumb thing to say.

    People are not allowed to care for the planet but eat meat? What a pile of rubbish.
    You are just as much in denial as redferry. Of course people are allowed to do whatever they want. My point is they're hypocrites. They can eat animals, rape animals, torture animals and do whatever they want. It is wrong, inhumane, doesn't make sense to me, but obviously you don't want to hear about or acknowledge any of that.
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    your examples are a bit different and not really relevant to the topic of climate change. The plain and simple truth of the matter is that eating meat, cheese and drinking milk is bad for the environment. If a scientist doesn't acknowledge this anywhere in their research and bangs on about killing Venison then I cannot take them seriously. Any good, honest, impartial scientist would acknowledge that the dairy and meat industries are bad for this planet. redferry for god knows what reasons thinks it is okay to kill animals on environmental reasons. She is completely neglecting the fact that the animals have been eating, ****ting, adding lots of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere before they are killed. If you really cared about the environment you should stop eating meat and consuming animal products.

    If you want to kill venisons on environmental grounds, you might as well kill humans too, because we're doing the most environmental damage to this planet.
    Have you ever studied, well anything at all?

    Your arguments seem way too similar to that of a year 7 religious studies teacher who failed their education and became a teacher.

    My arguments were perfectly valid and related - they related a profession, to what they know against how they actually act. Just like you did, and I proved how ridiculous you're being.

    Just because they're a little bad for the planet, doesn't mean we should stop it all together. There are too many things that we do that are much worse for the planet than eating meat, but I bet you wouldn't give them up.
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    You are just as much in denial as redferry. Of course people are allowed to do whatever they want. My point is they're hypocrites. They can eat animals, rape animals, torture animals and do whatever they want. It is wrong, inhumane, doesn't make sense to me, but obviously you don't want to hear about or acknowledge any of that.
    No they're not. A hypocrite would be someone who campaigns to stop eating meat for environments sake, but then eats meat themselves.

    Someone is not a hypocrite if they simply acknowledge a primary/ secondary effect of their actions, but still choose to do them regardless, because they feel the positives outweight the negatives. That's called choice, not hypocrisy.

    How can you even compare picking up something from a supermarket against physically raping or torturing an animal. Lmaooo
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    (Original post by Captain Jack)
    Some of the other charities I listed will. Personally, I think it's more important to focus on buying up land and protecting that as wild habitats (as you go on to discuss below).



    I totally agree with you there, it's important to give all endangered living things a fighting chance. Protecting habitat is the way to do it.

    Did you ever read about the multi millionaire publisher, Felix Dennis? When he died he bought an entire forest for exactly this reason. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening...d-fortune.html
    Yeah he's such a legend. I wish more rich people were that cool.
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    I don't understand the point of trophy hunting or fun hunting. Why would you kill a live animal for fun?

    I understand how sometimes you feel the urge to play a gun or something, wouldn't a shooting range be enough? Isn't this is why video games exist?

    Poor elephant
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    (Original post by redferry)
    Yeah he's such a legend. I wish more rich people were that cool.
    Isn't extinction at like it's highest rates ever at the moment? Not sure, just remember reading about it.
 
 
 
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