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    (Original post by Dragon_of_Dojima)
    then a fear of christians would be, christianphobia? haha why islamophobia? as if islam is a no-go for people to want to criticise it. just saying, my two cents here, but how do you expect people to love and embrace "muslims" when people get banned, called names just for disagreeing with what islam has or can do to the west? hey, i don't like religion...but even comedians jokingly say that you can't joke about islam or else xD correct me if i am wrong but that is how i see it.

    p.s. have not read the thread entirely but hey, the west has tried to move on and it does appear that islam is kinda taking europe back into the dark ages...just saying and not hating. If i were hating, i would not be neutral, right? i think perhaps mulsims get a lot of flak is because in the west, we see that islam is more or less oppressive to women...just search the debates that hitchens has had or some such.

    about those polish people that were mentioned, i think it is again, because islam does not fit the west. yeah sure people love mentioning the cursade or what not, but that is history. gosh i really wish people would leave their creeds and religions aside and actually call it as it is. sure the majority of muslims are moderate, nice and so on...but it does not help that there are people that don't represent your group so well. again, this can be with anything but all i am saying is try to understand where the westerners are coming from. europe is our home and seeing the hajib wearing ninjas, i kid but you get me, is alien if not seen as oppressive.

    just accept the way things are. christ, you think that eastern europeans had it any better in england at some point? just don't get offended or what have you. try to understand that islam really, has no place in the west...it is just for those that come from the middle east or those that are mulsim countries. now, as one guy said, it is not muslims that we have a problem with...it is the fact that people follow islam to the point of...well, silliness shall we say xD be a muslim, be a jew, be whatever, but i think one thing also is that westerners are bit pushed in trying to constantly accommodate muslims. now i might be speaking wrongly, but i am just putting it out there. the west is trying it's best to be nice to you guys so i do hope a few bad apples here and there don't make you think that you are somehow victimised.

    all i can say is, live life in harmony and hopefully see that religion has no place in an information age dominated by science. but hey, each to their own, right? personally i would like to think i am a deist but then again, it is better to believe in something measurable than inaccuracies that when confronted by reasonable people, you will feel more than red faced. also, just try to be open minded. i think that the west, especially the UK, has done quite a lot for muslims. So please, try not to think that everyone is out there to get muslims...in fact those people are just trying to be careful and have beliefs, no matter how exaggerated they may be, like you.

    religion is the only thing that is keeping mankind behind the technological and spiritual development...but hey, what do i know? i am just some guy that is trying to give a reasonable response. have a good one ^^
    This don is up 6 in the morning writing an essay, welll done
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    [QUOTE=Dinasaurus;64001915]I think it is a far greater evil to persecute someone for something out of their reach, because of how they are born than it is to criticise a personal choice to believe something.

    If youre trying to say homosexuality is natural i want scientific prove
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    (Original post by Dragon_of_Dojima)
    i cannot see how religion, especially as violent as islam (religion peace...then how come there are no revisions of it like the king james bible or the new testament?) it blows my mind. we are slowly losing our rights, getting screwed by the system and we are still arguing about religion

    I agree, and muslims are definitley guilty of trying to change our society under the laws of Islam, for example when they throw riots (or worse) over drawings of Muhammed.

    I haven't read the Quran, but from what I do know about it, it is a vile book with nasty ambitions. Even the bible, when followed literally, only creates a society that keeps to itself. The Quran, on the other hand, literally spells out the goals of Islam: to dominate the world and convert/kill/enslave all the infidels.

    Compare this:
    https://www.openbible.info/topics/non_believers
    https://www.openbible.info/topics/apostates

    To how Islam treats infidels and apostates.

    I strongly recommend reading this:
    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...-wants/384980/

    Because it highlights how Daesh literally exists because it is instructed in the Quran, and they are following the Quran's teaching in EVERYTHING they do, to the highest level of detail.
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    (Original post by LibertyMan)
    I agree, and muslims are definitley guilty of trying to change our society under the laws of Islam, for example when they throw riots (or worse) over drawings of Muhammed.

    I haven't read the Quran, but from what I do know about it, it is a vile book with nasty ambitions. Even the bible, when followed literally, only creates a society that keeps to itself. The Quran, on the other hand, literally spells out the goals of Islam: to dominate the world and convert/kill/enslave all the infidels.

    Compare this:
    https://www.openbible.info/topics/non_believers
    https://www.openbible.info/topics/apostates

    To how Islam treats infidels and apostates.

    I strongly recommend reading this:
    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...-wants/384980/

    Because it highlights how Daesh literally exists because it is instructed in the Quran, and they are following the Quran's teaching in EVERYTHING they do, to the highest level of detail.
    Incorrect.

    The Quran forbids aggressive warfare, it forbids killing female/child hostages, it treats Christians as 'Muslims closest allies', it condemns using terror for political acts, it condemns killing non-combatants.
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    Problem is there is so many contradictions within the quran and all the TSR idiots just focus on some of the violent quotes.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Incorrect.

    The Quran forbids aggressive warfare, it forbids killing female/child hostages, it treats Christians as 'Muslims closest allies', it condemns using terror for political acts, it condemns killing non-combatants.
    No, you're wrong here.

    The Quran states that when a caliphate rises, it must never settle down in a border agreement, and it must do everything it can to terrify the non-believers to surrender to the Caliphate. This includes enslaving and executing the conquered as well as their women. This is to ensure world domination goes by with minimal bloodshed as it is easier to get countries to surrender to the caliphate than fight them directly.

    It treats jews as scum and Christians as slaves.

    Read my link.
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    (Original post by LibertyMan)
    No, you're wrong here.

    The Quran states that when a caliphate rises, it must never settle down in a border agreement, and it must do everything it can to terrify the non-believers to surrender to the Caliphate. This includes enslaving and executing the conquered as well as their women. This is to ensure world domination goes by with minimal bloodshed as it is easier to get countries to surrender to the caliphate than fight them directly.

    It treats jews as scum and Christians as slaves.

    Read my link.
    Prove it, because that a load of balls (about Jews and Christians), I can't be bothered to gouge my eyes in reading your lies about the caliphate

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/christians.htm read this
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Prove it, because that a load of balls (about Jews and Christians), I can't be bothered to gouge my eyes in reading your lies about the caliphate

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/christians.htm read this
    “Against kuffars make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war to strike terror into the (hearts of) the Enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside, whom you may not know, but whom Allah does know. Whatever you shall spend in the Cause of Allah, shall be repaid to you, and you shall not be treated unjustly.” (Qur’an: 8:60)

    “The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Bible] and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.” Quran 98:6

    “When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.” Quran 9:5

    Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

    Sahih Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

    Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."



    Muhammed also himself enslaved, raped, killed captives, and he is THE role model for Islam, so there you go.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Prove it, because that a load of balls (about Jews and Christians), I can't be bothered to gouge my eyes in reading your lies about the caliphate

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/christians.htm read this



    LMAO.


    What a moron. Thanks for Linking us to an Article written by a Christian that proves our point, you stupidly thought that just simply googling something about Islam and seeing a website called "answering Islam" means you could cite it Hahaha.



    :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    Musselmen are a protected species on here. Criticise them and the mods get all uppity over it, especially when people reveal the brutal truth about Islam. However if any other religious group gets criticised none of them bats an eye.
    Is that so? When has anyone ever criticized the likes of Christianity, and the abhorrence of the old testament? The only reason MOD's are sensitive over so, is because there is a boundary that you need to maintain, sometimes we fail to realize we're being discriminatory
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    (Original post by LibertyMan)
    “Against kuffars make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war to strike terror into the (hearts of) the Enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside, whom you may not know, but whom Allah does know. Whatever you shall spend in the Cause of Allah, shall be repaid to you, and you shall not be treated unjustly.” (Qur’an: 8:60)

    “The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Bible] and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.” Quran 98:6

    “When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.” Quran 9:5

    Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

    Sahih Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

    Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."



    Muhammed also himself enslaved, raped, killed captives, and he is THE role model for Islam, so there you go.
    Nowhere does it say "Jews are scrum" and "Christians are slaves"

    try again
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    (Original post by Attempt)
    LMAO.


    What a moron. Thanks for Linking us to an Article written by a Christian that proves our point, you stupidly thought that just simply googling something about Islam and seeing a website called "answering Islam" means you could cite it Hahaha.



    :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
    you're the troll from yesterday who though that half of British Muslims support ISIS,

    welcome to my block list
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    you're the troll from yesterday who though that half of British Muslims support ISIS,

    welcome to my block list


    You stupidly went on google and typed out "Christians in Islam" saw an article Written by a Christian telling you how badly Christians are treated in muslim lands and the Qu'ran because it had a title called "Answering-Islam" and used in an argument.

    How embarrassing for you.


    LMAO

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    according to Sahih Muslim this was not the same Negus that had granted the Muslims asylum from the Qurayshites and whom Muhammad prayed for:
    Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
    The Prophet of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) wrote to Chosroes (King of Persia), Caesar (Emperor of Rome), Negus (King of Abyssinia) and every (other) despot inviting them to Allah, the Exalted. And this Negus was not the one for whom the Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) had said the funeral prayers." (Sahih Muslim, Book 18, Number 4382)


    In fact, Mahmoud M. Ayoub claims that some Muslim commentators believed that S. 3:199 was specifically revealed about the Negus:
    "Like many early commentators, Wahidi refers to this verse to al-Najashi of Abyssinia. He reports on the authority of Jabir b. 'Abd Allah, Anas b. Malik, Ibn 'Abbas, and Qatadah that when al-Najashi died, Gabriel announced his death to the Prophet on the same day. The Prophet announced al-Najashi's death to his Companions, saying, 'Go and pray over a brother of yours who died in a land other than your land.' The Prophet thus went with them to al-Baqi', the cemetery of Madina, where he could miraculously see as far as Abyssinia. He looked at Najashi's bier and prayed over him. He begged God's forgiveness for him, and asked his companions to do likewise. But the hypocrites protested, saying, 'Look at this man praying over a Christian Abyssinian infidel whom he never saw, and who did not follow his religion.'



    "Tabari reports on the authority of Qatadah that when the Prophet asked his companions to pray over al-Najashi, they protested, 'Shall we pray over a man who is not a Muslim!' When the verse was revealed they again countered, 'He did not pray facing the qiblah.' But God sent down, 'To God belongs the east and the west. Wherever you turn, there is the face of God' [Q. 2:115]." (Ayoub, The Qur'an and its Interpreters Volume II- The House of 'Imran [State University of New York Press, Albany 1992], p. 414)Hence, we find that a Christian king who believed in the deity and crucifixion of Christ is praised as a believer and fellow brother.(NOTE- For the documentation on the fraudulent nature of Muhammad's alleged encounters with political leaders, please read the following article on the hadiths regarding the story of Heraclius.)



    "Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians, Christians, Magians, and Polytheists (wallaziina ashrakuuu),- God will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for God is witness of all things." S. 22:17







    All from the website which you Posted Frank Underwood.


    What a fail, thanks for proving our point you idiot.
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    (Original post by Attempt)
    according to Sahih Muslim this was not the same Negus that had granted the Muslims asylum from the Qurayshites and whom Muhammad prayed for:
    Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
    The Prophet of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) wrote to Chosroes (King of Persia), Caesar (Emperor of Rome), Negus (King of Abyssinia) and every (other) despot inviting them to Allah, the Exalted. And this Negus was not the one for whom the Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) had said the funeral prayers." (Sahih Muslim, Book 18, Number 4382)


    In fact, Mahmoud M. Ayoub claims that some Muslim commentators believed that S. 3:199 was specifically revealed about the Negus:
    "Like many early commentators, Wahidi refers to this verse to al-Najashi of Abyssinia. He reports on the authority of Jabir b. 'Abd Allah, Anas b. Malik, Ibn 'Abbas, and Qatadah that when al-Najashi died, Gabriel announced his death to the Prophet on the same day. The Prophet announced al-Najashi's death to his Companions, saying, 'Go and pray over a brother of yours who died in a land other than your land.' The Prophet thus went with them to al-Baqi', the cemetery of Madina, where he could miraculously see as far as Abyssinia. He looked at Najashi's bier and prayed over him. He begged God's forgiveness for him, and asked his companions to do likewise. But the hypocrites protested, saying, 'Look at this man praying over a Christian Abyssinian infidel whom he never saw, and who did not follow his religion.'



    "Tabari reports on the authority of Qatadah that when the Prophet asked his companions to pray over al-Najashi, they protested, 'Shall we pray over a man who is not a Muslim!' When the verse was revealed they again countered, 'He did not pray facing the qiblah.' But God sent down, 'To God belongs the east and the west. Wherever you turn, there is the face of God' [Q. 2:115]." (Ayoub, The Qur'an and its Interpreters Volume II- The House of 'Imran [State University of New York Press, Albany 1992], p. 414)Hence, we find that a Christian king who believed in the deity and crucifixion of Christ is praised as a believer and fellow brother.(NOTE- For the documentation on the fraudulent nature of Muhammad's alleged encounters with political leaders, please read the following article on the hadiths regarding the story of Heraclius.)



    "Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians, Christians, Magians, and Polytheists (wallaziina ashrakuuu),- God will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for God is witness of all things." S. 22:17







    All from the website which you Posted Frank Underwood.


    What a fail, thanks for proving our point you idiot.
    as I said, "50% of Muslims support ISIS" fail
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    Islam was strange when it started and will continue to be towards those with hate in their hearts.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    Nowhere does it say "Jews are scrum" and "Christians are slaves"

    try again
    If you're going to ask for proof, then read it.

    "People of the Book" = Judeo-Christians (I see you're not at all familier with Islam). They are labelled as vile creatures.

    It commands that on Judgement day jews will all be slaughtered. If that's not bad by your books, then wow, I don't know what to say to you.

    Slavery ----
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pa...n/slavery.aspx
    http://answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm

    "
    WHOCOULD BE MADE SLAVES UNDER ISLAM?
    1) Islam allows Muslims to make slaves outof anyone who is captured during war.
    2) Islam allows for the children of slavesto be raised as slaves
    3) Like #1, Islam allows for Christiansand Jews to be made into slaves if they are captured in war. After Muslim armies attacked and conqueredSpain, they took thousands of slaves back to Damascus. The key prize was 1000 virgins as slaves. They were forced to go all the way back toDamascus.
    4) Christians and Jews, who had made atreaty with the ruling Muslims could be made into slaves if they did not paythe "protection" tax. Thispaying for 'protection' was just like paying a Mafia racketeer! This allowed Muslim rulers to extort moneyfrom non-Muslim people. "
    Now I'll have you know that the ISIS Caliphate- which is instructed by the Quran- fulfills number 4 exactly as written.

    So can you say anything back now? Or just make a quick comment and escape? Keep defending this vile religion.
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    (Original post by LibertyMan)
    If you're going to ask for proof, then read it.

    "People of the Book" = Judeo-Christians (I see you're not at all familier with Islam). They are labelled as vile creatures.

    It commands that on Judgement day jews will all be slaughtered. If that's not bad by your books, then wow, I don't know what to say to you.

    Slavery ----
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pa...n/slavery.aspx
    http://answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm


    Now I'll have you know that the ISIS Caliphate- which is instructed by the Quran- fulfills number 4 exactly as written.

    So can you say anything back now? Or just make a quick comment and escape? Keep defending this vile religion.



    My brother, please don't waste your time with this troll.


    He tried to counter your argument by linking Answering islam .org.


    A CHRISTIAN run website written by David wood and Sam Shamoun. TWO of the biggest Christian debaters in America after James white.
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    (Original post by LibertyMan)
    If you're going to ask for proof, then read it.

    "People of the Book" = Judeo-Christians (I see you're not at all familier with Islam). They are labelled as vile creatures.

    It commands that on Judgement day jews will all be slaughtered. If that's not bad by your books, then wow, I don't know what to say to you.

    Slavery ----
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pa...n/slavery.aspx
    http://answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm


    Now I'll have you know that the ISIS Caliphate- which is instructed by the Quran- fulfills number 4 exactly as written.

    So can you say anything back now? Or just make a quick comment and escape? Keep defending this vile religion.
    in other words, "No I can't prove it"
 
 
 
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