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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    I did not think I would have to explain the rules to you but UKIP could submit a coalition with Labour, the Greens, and Socialists in, but when Ray announces the coalition results UKIP will leave straight away. As the rules of the game mean a MoNC will be needed to remove the remaining parties from government who now form a smaller coalition, UKIP will support the government to keep the Labour-Green-Socialist coalition in government. The simple rule that one party leaving a coalition does not automatically trigger new coalition discussions mean UKIP can join a coalition for minutes to use the rules to the favour of the left-wing. The fate of a Conservative-Liberal coalition is in the hands of the left-wing parties who can choose to end all hope of the Conservative-Liberal coalition by agreeing to the plan Unown Uzer thought of.
    I'm sure your voters would appreciate you propping up another left-wing Government.

    I would have asked if you had any credibility or even principles at all, but it does seem that you've answered that for me.
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    Can someone explain why UKIP would prefer a leftist coalition as opposed to a Tory-led one?
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    I think adam9317 is referring to another situation where Life_peer sent a message two hours before the deadline for coalition proposals begging Adam to accept a deal put forward.
    I just wanted to throw you off course and I'm actually glad I didn't succeed, otherwise we wouldn't have been able to witness the worst coalition in the history of the MHoC. :laugh:

    But granted, I was caught off guard there. It didn't even occur to me you'd be that stupid.
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    (Original post by BenC1997)
    Can someone explain why UKIP would prefer a leftist coalition as opposed to a Tory-led one?
    Because they wish to try to punish us for not wanting to go into coalition with them.
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    Because they wish to try to punish us for not wanting to go into coalition with them.
    How mature of them, I'd love to say I'm surprised.
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    (Original post by BenC1997)
    Can someone explain why UKIP would prefer a leftist coalition as opposed to a Tory-led one?
    Spite.
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    (Original post by BenC1997)
    Can someone explain why UKIP would prefer a leftist coalition as opposed to a Tory-led one?
    They're petty little children who want to hurt us because we prefer Liberals but so far they're just hurting their future chances and the public opinion.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I'll have you know we're actually far-right according to TDA (who I would tag if I wasn't on my mobile )


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    Nah, just right-wing.
    And Labour who used to be described as left-wing firebrands are now wishy-washy middle-of-the-road moderates.

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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    They're petty little children who want to hurt us because we prefer Liberals but so far they're just hurting their future chances and the public opinion.
    With their conduct thus far, I'd be amazed if anyone preferred them to the Liberals.

    I'm even more amazed that their members are actually backing this 'plan.' Locking your own party out of power for God knows how long...remarkable really.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Think about the piles of **** we have against you and some of your members before you continue (though I don't expect the other parties to back this insanity). Some of you might get banned…
    I know there have been messages sent by your deputy to members stating the bottom line for improved relations is my resignation as leader, but you need not have spent the time because it has long been my intention to resign as UKIP leader when the new term starts; one term is long enough at the helm. I am in my early twenties, I do not want to spent my time arguing with students over politics when there is a world out there to travel, job offers to be taken, and real-life relationships to be had, I plan to forget about the two slightly rude comments I have made about members in private messages over the last year.

    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I'm sure your voters would appreciate you propping up another left-wing Government.I would have asked if you had any credibility or even principles at all, but it does seem that you've answered that for me.
    The party leader who has been criticised for taking this game seriously is now the party leader who is being criticised for not supporting a centre government when there is the possibility of a centre government forming. The MHoC is a game where games are to be played to further objectives, have fun, and make friends with some members; constantly wanting the game to mirror real-life, wanting politics to be free from drama, aiming to have virtual power, and caring about the parties in a coalition is taking it more seriously than I do.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    The party leader who has been criticised for taking this game seriously is now the party leader who is being criticised for not supporting a centre government when there is the possibility of a centre government forming. The MHoC is a game where games are to be paid to further objectives, have fun, and make friends with some members; constantly wanting the game to mirror real-life, wanting politics to be free from drama, and caring about the parties in a coalition is taking it more seriously than I did.
    A smart leader in your shoes would have accepted defeat and tried to negotiate support for some of your policies in return for your support of some of ours. That's how you play the game. You don't play the game by ruling out one of only two or three (if you include the Nat Libs) of parties you could possibly coalition with. You don't play the game by alienating your party. You don't play the game by trying to stitch up your closest allies.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    A smart leader in your shoes would have accepted defeat and tried to negotiate support for some of your policies in return for your support of some of ours. That's how you play the game. You don't play the game by ruling out one of only two or three (if you include the Nat Libs) of parties you could possibly coalition with. You don't play the game by alienating your party. You don't play the game by trying to stitch up your closest allies.
    That rests on the assumption I care about implementing UKIP policies when I do not, the game is played to pass time, not to treat virtual governments as being real. A smart leader would not play the game in the first place because it would be identified real-life has more exciting opportunities.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    I know there have been messages sent by your deputy to members stating the bottom line for improved relations is my resignation as leader, but you need not have spent the time because it has long been my intention to resign as UKIP leader when the new term starts; one term is long enough at the helm. I am in my early twenties, I do not want to spent my time arguing with students over politics when there is a world out there to travel, job offers to be taken, and real-life relationships to be had, I plan to forget about the two slightly rude comments I have made about members in private messages over the last year.
    Whoa, now that's one very convenient 180 degree turn, isn't it? I don't believe you, but I also don't really care at this point…
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    A smart leader in your shoes would have accepted defeat and tried to negotiate support for some of your policies in return for your support of some of ours. That's how you play the game. You don't play the game by ruling out one of only two or three (if you include the Nat Libs) of parties you could possibly coalition with. You don't play the game by alienating your party. You don't play the game by trying to stitch up your closest allies.
    Have to say these whole shenanigans have been great craic - more entertaining than the Dublin-Kerry game I just missed because of it
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    That rests on the assumption I care about implementing UKIP policies when I do not, the game is played to pass time, not to treat virtual governments as being real. A smart leader would not play the game in the first place because it would be identified real-life has more exciting opportunities.
    If you're not here to play the game, why are you leading your party?

    You better resign before you're vonced, because if I ever thought that let alone said it, I'd expect to be out of a position in under a week.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    If you're not here to play the game, why are you leading your party?

    You better resign before you're vonced, because if I ever thought that let alone said it, I'd expect to be out of a position in under a week.
    I have always said if any UKIP member wants to call a VoNC I would happily resign, I can dig up pages of posts to prove that, however, I think it shows the parties who take the game more seriously than others.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    A smart leader would not play the game in the first place because it would be identified real-life has more exciting opportunities.
    Well, this is a good exercise in practice - writing legislation and so on; assuming you would go on to do the same in real life, you would have a decent base to work from.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    I have always said if any UKIP member wants to call a VoNC I would happily resign, I can dig up pages of posts to prove that, however, I think it shows the parties who take the game more seriously than others.
    It's not about taking it seriously. It's about playing the game at all.

    You don't have to dig up any pages, I'll take your word for it.
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    I also tried to avoid getting involved in this however once i say this i'm done and i will no longer get involved

    Yes , I accept UKIP and the Conservatives have had a falling out over certain factors ( I'm not 100% certain over what exactly caused it nor do i know of the so called " threats " made ..... Although i accept it was partly UKIPs actions that caused it ....however all i really want to do is move on from this so we can start the new term on at least civil terms
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    I also tried to avoid getting involved in this however once i say this i'm done and i will no longer get involved

    Yes , I accept UKIP and the Conservatives have had a falling out over certain factors ( I'm not 100% certain over what exactly caused it nor do i know of the so called " threats " made ..... Although i accept it was partly UKIPs actions that caused it ....however all i really want to do is move on from this so we can start the new term on at least civil terms
    So despite the party being informed you were unaware, is it that it didn't happen or that you just didn't bother looking?

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