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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    I have lost faith that we will achieve that.
    I honestly don't think that we will obliterate ourselves but we definitely do need strong international unions to prevent it and people need to get off their "mah sovereignty" high horses and deal with the real world.
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    (Original post by plstudent)
    The UN are the ones making the refugee treaties that force local weak politicians to comply. There are no limits in these treaties. Politicians only say "we have to follow UN rules" blah blah.

    So basically, the UN has control, because it imposes obligations
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    The 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees is the key legal document in defining who is a refugee, their rights and the legal obligations of states. The 1967 Protocol removed geographical and temporal restrictions from the Convention.
    http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49da0e466.html

    Yes, the UN is an extremely leftist organisation.
    The UN does not 'make' treaties. Its Members do, facilitated by the UN as an international forum. If we've signed up to it, it's through our own sovereign will.

    Current PM of Sweden seems pretty relevant to me. I haven't spent a lot of time in the UK so I'm sure that others will find better examples. But I also provided an example from the UK if you read my edit.
    One advisor's quote from a decade ago does not demonstrate that the entire left desires anything remotely like unlimited immigration today. Did Labour shut down the Border Service? Because if they wanted unlimited immigration, that seems like something they would want to do.
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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    I honestly don't think that we will obliterate ourselves but we definitely do need strong international unions to prevent it and people need to get off their "mah sovereignty" high horses and deal with the real world.
    Oh yes, I totally agree with you that that is most likely the only way.

    But at the moment with what is going on in the world, I have no faith. Humans are too selfish.
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    (Original post by gladders)
    The UN does not 'make' treaties. Its Members do, facilitated by the UN as an international forum. If we've signed up to it, it's through our own sovereign will.



    One advisor's quote from a decade ago does not demonstrate that the entire left desires anything remotely like unlimited immigration today. Did Labour shut down the Border Service? Because if they wanted unlimited immigration, that seems like something they would want to do.
    The content of the treaties is by the UN and based on UN rights. If politicians sign up for a treaty most people don't understand, it doesn't really say a lot about the people's will. Rest assured, the treaties are total garbage, but every single left wing government and party in Europe supports them.

    Of course Labor will not say they want uncontrolled migration because nobody would vote for them. That's the same reason they didn't shut down the border, but the long term effects of what they are doing are the same, as Britons and Europeans in general are becoming a minority in their own countries in the name of "progress" and "humanity".
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    (Original post by plstudent)
    The content of the treaties is by the UN and based on UN rights. If politicians sign up for a treaty most people don't understand, it doesn't really say a lot about the people's will. Rest assured, the treaties are total garbage, but every single left wing government and party in Europe supports them.
    Uh-uh.

    And what of the right-wing ones?

    Of course Labor will not say they want uncontrolled migration because nobody would vote for them. That's the same reason they didn't shut down the border, but the long term effects of what they are doing are the same, as Britons and Europeans in general are becoming a minority in their own countries in the name of "progress" and "humanity".
    Yeah, right. Would you like a tin hat?
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    (Original post by gladders)
    Uh-uh.

    And what of the right-wing ones?
    As you can see for yourself, "conservatives" are nowhere near as extreme as left wingers. Many say they are no right wingers at all. A few parties on the "far right" do oppose the treaties.

    (Original post by gladders)
    Yeah, right. Would you like a tin hat?
    I'll settle for a mathematics course.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-8600262.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world
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    (Original post by plstudent)
    As you can see for yourself, "conservatives" are nowhere near as extreme as left wingers. Many say they are no right wingers at all.



    I'll settle for a mathematics course.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-8600262.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world
    Sorry.

    http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/...-by-2050/13690
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    Yeah, thanks for showing that you didn't even read/understand my articles.
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    (Original post by plstudent)
    Yeah, thanks for showing that you didn't even read/understand my articles.
    I did. I've seen them before. They assume a lot of present trends will remain constant, when they won't.
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    (Original post by gladders)
    I did. I've seen them before. They assume a lot of present trends will remain constant, when they won't.
    Even if immigrants began having fewer children, it might at most postpone the date to 2070. Immigration to Europe has been increasing lately, so the trends could also change in the direction of more migration. And if it does decrease, it won't be thanks to Labor.
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    (Original post by plstudent)
    Even if immigrants began having fewer children, it might at most postpone the date to 2070. Immigration to Europe has been increasing lately, so the trends could also change in the direction of more migration. And if it does decrease, it won't be thanks to Labor.
    This is getting pretty boring now. Tar-ah.
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    (Original post by gladders)
    This is getting pretty boring now. Tar-ah.
    It's never fun when you lose.
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    (Original post by plstudent)
    It's never fun when you lose.
    You haven't won, your tin hat got wonky!
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    (Original post by gladders)
    You haven't won, your tin hat got wonky!
    You are calling simple mathematics and statistics tinfoil hat theories. I guess it's only a miracle we have computers, cars and other engineering achievements.
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    (Original post by plstudent)
    You are calling simple mathematics and statistics tinfoil hat theories. I guess it's only a miracle we have computers, cars and other engineering achievements.
    'Simple' mathematics which were busted by a fact-checking site. Sorry, no dice.
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    (Original post by gladders)
    'Simple' mathematics which were busted by a fact-checking site. Sorry, no dice.
    The site only "busts" a claim I never made. Being generous and taking into account the considerations in your site, the study I linked to remains valid, but with perhaps a later deadline.

    Go on hacking and slashing your straw man, but you are making as much difference as Don Quijote.
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    As someone looking to work in financial services, I think staying in the EU will be 100% the best choice for the economy and for British businesses. Vote to stay.
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    LEAVE - The UK is practically full, A country that can't produce enough food for it's people and has to take imports is not a country that would be safe if there was to be a war.

    If we stay the population will continue to increase from immigrants, And the longer we wait the worse the situation will become and the harder it will be for people to choose to leave because imports will be a larger issue.

    People who say stay in the EU and continue to take imports & immigrants, that is a bad idea as the population will come to a point where if there was a war cutting the UK off from European imports the population will be too damn high to keep everyone fed.
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    (Original post by 2016_GCSE)
    LEAVE - The UK is practically full, A country that can't produce enough food for it's people and has to take imports is not a country that would be safe if there was to be a war.

    If we stay the population will continue to increase from immigrants, And the longer we wait the worse the situation will become and the harder it will be for people to choose to leave because imports will be a larger issue.

    People who say stay in the EU and continue to take imports & immigrants, that is a bad idea as the population will come to a point where if there was a war cutting the UK off from European imports the population will be too damn high to keep everyone fed.
    This is why you have to be 18 to vote.
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    (Original post by macromicro)
    This is why you have to be 18 to vote.
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