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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    But you should have the privilege because you were?

    What makes you so special compared to them?

    ps and no, you did no such thing, and you know it. at least admit it, or is that chip on your shoulder too heavy?
    Yes. I should. I'm native. Lest I break the law or such. Special? In the quasi-philosophical sense you're referring; nothing intrinsically. I don't need to be special to be a native. But we have to make privilegia for our own natives. Whether you like it or not. Your argument is just puerile, "You meant what I say you meant! Just admit it!" - no.
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    If we had a solution, then it wouldn't be a crisis (i.e. we don't know).
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    (Original post by AntisthenesDogger)
    Yes. I should. I'm native. Lest I break the law or such. Special? In the quasi-philosophical sense you're referring; nothing intrinsically. I don't need to be special to be a native. But we have to make privilegia for our own natives. Whether you like it or not. Your argument is just puerile, "You meant what I say you meant! Just admit it!" - no.
    Suit yourself.

    And why do we have to make privileges to our own natives?

    I'd much rather chuck all the AfD-voting, Pegida marching neo-Nazis out of my country and take up immigrants from Syria (which you probably don't know, was actually a fairly wealthy, educated country).
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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    Suit yourself.

    And why do we have to make privileges to our own natives?

    I'd much rather chuck all the AfD-voting, Pegida marching neo-Nazis out of my country and take up immigrants from Syria (which you probably don't know, was actually a fairly wealthy, educated country).
    Because that's how reality works. If you decry and abnegate your own people, or desires, you fail to incentivize people. Self-sacrificial altruism may be a moral duty, but not under circumstances that will worsen others; in this case, it's the lives of our natives, whom we have a legal and moral right to ensure are primus inter pares within their own historic and cultural setting.

    Of course you would, you're clearly of the pharisaical bunch we call the regressive left. The matters of history, culture, linguistics and a material understanding of problems is merely trifle next your imagination of what's proper.

    Things aren't a zero-sum game sadly. It's more complicated than just being nice to people because we can.
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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    Suit yourself.

    And why do we have to make privileges to our own natives?

    I'd much rather chuck all the AfD-voting, Pegida marching neo-Nazis out of my country and take up immigrants from Syria (which you probably don't know, was actually a fairly wealthy, educated country).
    Oh, and I had been to Syria before the civil war thank you. I'm acutely aware of its debacle.
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    (Original post by AntisthenesDogger)
    Because that's how reality works. If you decry and abnegate your own people, or desires, you fail to incentivize people. Self-sacrificial altruism may be a moral duty, but not under circumstances that will worsen others; in this case, it's the lives of our natives, whom we have a legal and moral right to ensure are primer inter pares within their own historic and cultural setting.

    Of course you would, you're clearly of the pharisaical bunch we call the regressive left. The matters of history, culture, linguistics and a material understanding of problems is merely trifle next your imagination of what's proper.

    Things aren't a zero-sum game sadly. It's more complicated than just being nice to people because we can.
    Says you?

    ps regressive left? lol'd. if you think I am illiberal, you haven't read any of my posts properly.
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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    Says you?

    ps regressive left? lol'd. if you think I am illiberal, you haven't read any of my posts properly.
    Yea, say I. What's your point?

    Your points on this matter mark you as quite illiberal yes. Though to distinguish being regressive doesn't make you "illiberal" the corpus of liberalism in the mainstream is just becoming less traditionally liberal. So it's fine for you to not be suited to its original modus operandi.
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    (Original post by Grand High Witch)
    People aren't going stop coming (or attempt to come) to Europe for the foreseeable future. What do we do about it? It can't be sustainable just to have large volumes of people wandering around the continent. Do we resettle them all in Europe? Do we send them back? Do we create more camps? Do we try and share the burden across Europe?

    What's your view?
    Let nature take its course and let the migrants live here. We can integrate them into British society or we integrate into their culture.
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    (Original post by AntisthenesDogger)
    Yea, say I. What's your point?

    Your points on this matter mark you as quite illiberal yes. Though to distinguish being regressive doesn't make you "illiberal" the corpus of liberalism in the mainstream is just becoming less traditionally liberal. So it's fine for you to not be suited to its original modus operandi.
    You are one big piece of work. So full of yourself, which incidentally, make you come across as rather illeberal in this thread.

    The point is, why is what you say true or, how things are? You just wrote a bunch of opinions and irrelevant facts and then concluded "it's not that simple" and in your eyes, that's it. All I am pointing out, that to some people, it in fact is that simple. And you not accepting that makes you illeberal.

    And yes, that is exactly what regressive means.
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    (Original post by Grand High Witch)
    People aren't going stop coming (or attempt to come) to Europe for the foreseeable future. What do we do about it? It can't be sustainable just to have large volumes of people wandering around the continent. Do we resettle them all in Europe? Do we send them back? Do we create more camps? Do we try and share the burden across Europe?

    What's your view?
    First everybody needs to understand something. If you dont understand what i am about to write, then its impossible to understand my "solution"

    There are genuine refugees - These are people from Syria whom have had to leave Syria and seek new pastures due to the civil war. Now when the leader of Europe says "Refugees welcome! come come, free house, free health, free school, nice Mercedes" - The ears of two impoverished continents pick up. Africa and Asia. Literally millions of people thinking JACKPOT, what an incredible opportunity. Scrape together lifesavings of £1000 and be smuggled across the Med on a £5 Lilo. You suddenly have millions of economic migrants risking death and making smugglers filthy rich.

    There simply has to be cautious, conservative and hyperopic view taken with dealing with this mess. The first world needs to come together to financially aid Lebanon and others with the camps (As they are doing) - I would like to say the genuine refugees would return to Syria when things calm and with western support and money, rebuild but the middle east is perpetually involved in civil and religious wars so it isnt much of a solution, particuarly if you are a genuine refugee who's life is now uncertain and in limbo

    What cannot happen is the indiscriminate welcoming of anyone and everyone as thanks to Germany, Europe is having to learn the hard way.
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    (Original post by AntisthenesDogger)
    Because that's how reality works. If you decry and abnegate your own people, or desires, you fail to incentivize people. Self-sacrificial altruism may be a moral duty, but not under circumstances that will worsen others; in this case, it's the lives of our natives, whom we have a legal and moral right to ensure are primus inter pares within their own historic and cultural setting.

    Of course you would, you're clearly of the pharisaical bunch we call the regressive left. The matters of history, culture, linguistics and a material understanding of problems is merely trifle next your imagination of what's proper.

    Things aren't a zero-sum game sadly. It's more complicated than just being nice to people because we can.
    Incentivize people is the wrong idea, we're not playing World of Warcrafts. I can't believe what you just wrote.
    You're making this s*** up "
    it's the lives of our natives, whom we have a legal and moral right to ensure are primus inter pares within their own historic and cultural setting. "
    What laws govern this obligation?
    What the donkeys you on about
    "zero-sum game "
    "pharisaical bunch"
    This is not a serious argument.
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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    Like you ignore the fact Britain created the slave trade?
    Not only is this a blatant lie, but Britain were trailblazers in banning slavery and they didn't even have the biggest or worst slave trade. That honour belongs to the Arabs lol.
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    Not only is this a blatant lie, but Britain were trailblazers in banning slavery and they didn't even have the biggest or worst slave trade. That honour belongs to the Arabs lol.
    Please read the thread, I acknowledge that statement was inaccurate to my meaning.
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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    You are one big piece of work. So full of yourself, which incidentally, make you come across as rather illeberal in this thread.

    The point is, why is what you say true or, how things are? You just wrote a bunch of opinions and irrelevant facts and then concluded "it's not that simple" and in your eyes, that's it. All I am pointing out, that to some people, it in fact is that simple. And you not accepting that makes you illeberal.

    And yes, that is exactly what regressive means.
    How is it true? Because it's evident that's how people operate. If you're going to attempt pedantry on that point, then woe to ye. Nothing what I said is irrelevant or nonfactual. In actual academic practice, people generally agree on some basic axioms to a matter. You're incapable of that, because your bilious chattering has to belie your myopia of history. "But why do things not always be nice?!" If I have to tell you why, you're truly stupid.

    It doesn't make me illiberal. I'm more traditionally liberal than most people here I suppose. Ask the liberals of the general committee if they'd have allowed swathes of illegals into France. Pretty sure you'd not be told what you like.

    Bla, bla, bla. You're ennui epitomized.
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    (Original post by Vinny1900)
    Incentivize people is the wrong idea, we're not playing World of Warcrafts. I can't believe what you just wrote.
    You're making this s*** up "
    it's the lives of our natives, whom we have a legal and moral right to ensure are primus inter pares within their own historic and cultural setting. "
    What laws govern this obligation?
    What the donkeys you on about
    "zero-sum game "
    "pharisaical bunch"
    This is not a serious argument.
    "I don't like or understand the sentiment behind what you say. YOU'RE WRONG, IT'S NOT A SERIOUS ARGUMENT" Okay famalam.
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    (Original post by AntisthenesDogger)
    How is it true? Because it's evident that's how people operate. If you're going to attempt pedantry on that point, then woe to ye. Nothing what I said is irrelevant or nonfactual. In actual academic practice, people generally agree on some basic axioms to a matter. You're incapable of that, because your bilious chattering has to belie your myopia of history. "But why do things not always be nice?!" If I have to tell you why, you're truly stupid.

    It doesn't make me illiberal. I'm more traditionally liberal than most people here I suppose. Ask the liberals of the general committee if they'd have allowed swathes of illegals into France. Pretty sure you'd not be told what you like.

    Bla, bla, bla. You're ennui epitomized.
    I am rather confident I am much more intelligent than you

    It is evident? There are plenty of countries that decided that actually yes, it is as simple as we are able to help, so let's help. But I guess if one is so full of oneself, it's hard to see things that make one wrong.

    I should have stuck to my plan last night and put you on the ignore list. People like you don't go along well with the internet and forums.

    The bold part is rather ironic. If you'd read all my posts on here, you'd find that pretty much everything you said about me, is complete bs (including that statement). But hey, better not right, lest you find out you were wrong. And you can't be wrong, can you? I mean you consider even an internet forum equivalent to academic discourse. You are one serious scholar mate.
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    (Original post by Youngmetro)
    Gotta love closet racists, you're stupidity and delusion is very entertaining.
    Gotta love incompetent twits, your* stupidity and delusion is very entertaining.

    Racism is the hatred of a race based only on the fact that it's that race, or of people of that race for being of that race, right?

    So then, how does not caring what race someone is and merely holding the view that the indigenous people should govern their ancestral homelands (because it's THEIR land) instead of foreigners make me a racist?

    Please try harder to come up with an intelligent comment next time.
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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    I am rather confident I am much more intelligent than you

    It is evident? There are plenty of countries that decided that actually yes, it is as simple as we are able to help, so let's help. But I guess if one is so full of oneself, it's hard to see things that make one wrong.

    I should have stuck to my plan last night and put you on the ignore list. People like you don't go along well with the internet and forums.

    The bold part is rather ironic. If you'd read all my posts on here, you'd find that pretty much everything you said about me, is complete bs (including that statement). But hey, better not right, lest you find out you were wrong. And you can't be wrong, can you? I mean you consider even an internet forum equivalent to academic discourse. You are one serious scholar mate.
    I don't. Which is why I'm not interested in this so severely. You just took what I said was evident and applied it to a different thing. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Whatever you say.
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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    I am rather confident I am much more intelligent than you

    It is evident? There are plenty of countries that decided that actually yes, it is as simple as we are able to help, so let's help. But I guess if one is so full of oneself, it's hard to see things that make one wrong.

    I should have stuck to my plan last night and put you on the ignore list. People like you don't go along well with the internet and forums.

    The bold part is rather ironic. If you'd read all my posts on here, you'd find that pretty much everything you said about me, is complete bs (including that statement). But hey, better not right, lest you find out you were wrong. And you can't be wrong, can you? I mean you consider even an internet forum equivalent to academic discourse. You are one serious scholar mate.
    Wait, why are you even giving an internet forum so much credence to precipitate your ignore lists? Shouldn't someone of your rather, demure intellect be studying rather than obsessing over that?
 
 
 
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