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    (Original post by picklescamp)
    I will buy you all the thai green curries and french bulldogs in the world :lovie:
    And shoes
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    We can't rely on a man to come along and look after us.
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    Good post. I feel sorry for all the guys pushed into boring subjects and boring jobs they can't really stand because they 'pay well'.
    Me too. As long as women remain hypergamous it will never stop. I think destroying female hypergamy would be the single best thing that could be achieved in order to have a gender equal society and overturn the current order. Women are at least as guilty of maintaining the status quo, feminists seem to ignore that and only focus on trying to police men. But then again fighting hypergamy would be like trying to teach the scorpion not to sting the frog.
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    (Original post by So Instinct)
    And shoes
    I will get you the red ones.

    Not the ugly ones you showed me last night though
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    Because actually most people don't pick their degree based on how much they'll earn afterwards. They pick their degree because they're interested in the subject.
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    Yes - exactly, its too broad a "career definition" to be meaningful in anyway. You might get an IT "nerd" who sits in a chair all day or an oil worker on a North Sea rig. There is no connection at all. That was basically my point.

    Its not the degrees that effect peoples life chances, its more connected to: are they willing to travel ABROAD or huge distances AFTER they have married and have a family. Do they want to be home makes more than money grabbers?

    I suggest to you if you removed all the men from the list who got a big pay rise via working abroad for a few years you will probably fine that the differences in pay between the sexes is not as great as you would imagine.

    Many men (and some women) get their first big break when they get a job over 1000 miles away from home.
    I can assure you that I'm not a nerd even though I work in IT. A little geeky
    ..maybe. Needs don't tend to be quite so sociable.

    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    That is my point engineering is too broad a term.
    Its well known that CHEMICAL engineers - especially oil related, could earn very large sums (often by travelling all over the globe). But a graduate engineer building a road or a house does not get these large sums you're dad got.
    Meh. Senior IT positions can get you some 65K/annum right here in the UK. I believe some do pay 80K+ Any one who works on an oil rig is going to be paid more. I mean I technically could go to an oil rig if I wanted to
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    (Original post by Erebor)
    Me too. As long as women remain hypergamous it will never stop. I think destroying female hypergamy would be the single best thing that could be achieved in order to have a gender equal society and overturn the current order. Women are at least as guilty of maintaining the status quo, feminists seem to ignore that and only focus on trying to police men. But then again fighting hypergamy would be like trying to teach the scorpion not to sting the frog.
    You think men never try to marry up?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    You think men never try to marry up?
    It's not as much of a priority as it is for women, not even close. Also, trying and succeeding are very different things. Turn on any nature channel and you'll quickly find out which sex is by far more picky and the chooser in just about any species that walked or crawled at one time or another.
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    The 2 degrees I'm into won't lead me to have a high salary but there's nothing else I'm interested in. Ngl my parents are probably disappointed that I'm not going into science or law but I'm not into that and can't imagine myself having a career in them areas.
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    (Original post by difeo)
    Isn't it common knowledge that the best paying subjects are engineering/medicine/maths/physics etc and these are all male dominated
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    Maybe its societies issue that jobs related to 'female interests' are poorly valued...?
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    Car mechanics are raking it in pal
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    It still baffles me how stupid people like you are on here.
    Every one has their reasons for pursuing something, whether they be male or female. To make this generalisation is ludicrous and shows how little common sense you have.
    Just shut your cake hole and leave people to do what they want to do.
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    (Original post by Emily.97)
    It still baffles me how stupid people like you are on here.
    Every one has their reasons for pursuing something, whether they be male or female. To make this generalisation is ludicrous and shows how little common sense you have.
    Just shut your cake hole and leave people to do what they want to do.
    Well, the question is this : what made you and the vast majority of girls choose a stereotypical female degree, the patriarchy or your lady brain?
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    (Original post by The_Internet)
    I can assure you that I'm not a nerd even though I work in IT. A little geeky
    ..maybe. Needs don't tend to be quite so sociable.



    Meh. Senior IT positions can get you some 65K/annum right here in the UK. I believe some do pay 80K+ Any one who works on an oil rig is going to be paid more. I mean I technically could go to an oil rig if I wanted to
    Large numbers of Indian women are in IT,
    I guess, even though they work here, they are not counted in the stats as they probably do not have UK passport. Going back to the IT "olden days" of the 1980s there so many women in IT back then they even had specialist agencies catering for women wanting to do part time programming (IBM System 360 ASM)... Look at this graph (USA) you will note, as soon as it became the "INTERNET" western women lost interest..... Its really weird - it was right up there as a career - then CRASH , less and less each year.

    What is going on with IT in the West that is not going on in India? Its the ONLY industry in the world that Western Women are rejecting by bigger and bigger numbers year in year out.

    http://www.randalolson.com/2014/06/1...jor-1970-2012/
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    Pretty sure almost everyone who goes into uni has a certain level of interest in the subject. Career prospect usually is not seen as a huge priority, only something the degree can possibly result in.

    If you go into uni, male or female, it doesn't matter if you're doing eg. Fashion or law, if you don't enjoy the subject, if you know you won't be putting 100% into it, you won't enjoy going into such career. It's pointless for anyone up go into a degree with high chances of employment if you would be dreading going into the lectures due to lack of interest. Not to mention, you doing a desirable degree does not always = you being a desirable worker in the field, meaning that even a desirable degree can result in a low paid job not in the certain field.

    I'm going into History because I'm interested in the subject, but I also know that such degree will open a lot of doors. I'd gladly go into a law degree but my grades would not allow me to, but even with a history degree, I have almost equal chances of getting into a law firm as someone with a law degree.
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    (Original post by hellodave5)
    Maybe its societies issue that jobs related to 'female interests' are poorly valued...?
    Yeah, those ****ing patriarchal supply and demand market forces. How dare wages be set according to how in demand a skill is and how widely available people with those skills are. We should set wages according to what proportion of the employees are women, so that we can make sure that there is no difference between the total amount paid to men and women. Otherwise, we're just being sexist............
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    (Original post by Luke Kostanjsek)
    Yeah, those ****ing patriarchal supply and demand market forces. How dare wages be set according to how in demand a skill is and how widely available people with those skills are. We should set wages according to what proportion of the employees are women, so that we can make sure that there is no difference between the total amount paid to men and women. Otherwise, we're just being sexist............
    You completely straw-manned my statement there.
    High level health and teaching jobs for instance, which are predominantly female, are considerably undervalued financially in our society.
    Thus, wages are often not in line with skill required - or the importance of the job in maintaining and developing society.
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    (Original post by LaMandarine)
    My friend (male) studying Physics at home: So what did you take as a degree
    Me: History and IR
    Him: haha, you won't go anywhere paid with that (he generally hates all Humanities)
    Me: How much do you earn for your research work?
    Him: (equivalent of) £5 per hour (back home in Romania)
    Me: earns £20 per hour, whilst still at university. :sexface:

    With that being said, I do agree in part with your point. Women do indeed dominate the lowest paying postgraduate jobs, and it takes an average of 5 years more for them to repay their loans compared to men. I wouldn't wholly blame them for this, some degrees should simply not exist at university. As long as they will exist, you will keep finding oblivious students willing to keep the lecture room seats warm.

    This is my assumption, but some of that 1/3 are probably considering having children before seriously taking a career. I'll consider having children before taking any diplomatic role. Probably a year or two after I graduate and have a decent paying job to have a stable financial base for a family. In the meantime I'll probably teach or research.

    I also think the latter part of your argument was unnecessary and irrelevant to your original point.
    What do you do? (If you don't mind me asking?)
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    (Original post by Erebor)
    http://content.time.com/time/special...073703,00.html



    I rarely hear girls say they chose a degree/career because of money, they all talk about their ''passion'' for it, like school has nothing to do with their future earnings. Many do it knowing full well that they won't even use that degree since they'll end working part-time or stay at home (even for Ivy league only 1/3 of female graduates work full time). I guess they don't need to worry about paying back their huge student loans since they'll never be earning the minimum required anyway. This is rarely the case with men, money plays a much bigger role. This is also why fewer and fewer men are going to university and doing well paid apprenticeships instead of some degree where the biggest challenge is not throwing up during the uni parties (women also choose the lowest paid apprenticeships, btw).
    I have a passion for chemistry, problem?
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    (Original post by hellodave5)
    You completely straw-manned my statement there.
    High level health and teaching jobs for instance, which are predominantly female, are considerably undervalued financially in our society.
    Thus, wages are often not in line with skill required - or the importance of the job in maintaining and developing society.
    How, pray tell, would you increase this value without charging patients and students insane amounts?

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