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    (Original post by Jeff548)
    Well ******* obviously, I did say "because I am a Muslim." My disagreement is religious therefore so otherwise I haven't a clue da f you on about.
    Being a Muslim does not mean one thinks homosexuality is wrong. There are Muslims who believe homosexuality is acceptable within Islam.

    I said it's wrong because my religion "condemns it explicitly..." and also I went to say that I personally feel it's disgusting which is why I as an individual am against it. Not saying the whole world should believe me.
    But there is no verse in the Quran which explicitly condemns homosexuality, so you are obviously deriving this disliking from elsewhere.

    Well go and fathom the fact that it's two males of the same sex loving one another which is clearly not natural and so personally makes me disgusted
    I still don't see why two people loving each other is disgusting. And homosexuality is perfectly natural. Homosexuality has been observed in many other species.

    So your suggestion is to make Muslims more comfortable with the subject of homosexuality even though it is 'explicitly condemned?' Just as another member posted and undrlining my previous point, you can challenge something to a Muslim community but a Muslim community cannot challenge something back? WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?
    Ones sexuality, like race, is not something one chooses. Your argument can be used to defend racism. The Book of Mormon says this:

    And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

    And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.

    And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.
    So because the Book of Mormon says that, Mormons should be allowed to make racist comments about black people?
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    You went quite far to defend Islam for a Non-Muslim. Seems rare on this site.
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
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    You went quite far to defend Islam for a Non-Muslim. Seems rare on this site.
    So. Do you believe Islam can accept homosexuality?

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    (Original post by chemting)
    So. Do you believe Islam can accept homosexuality?

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    To an extent yes.

    Problem is, if there are people who are openly gay in an Islamic societu which accepts them, then there's little doubt that they won't face prejudice by others.
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    To an extent yes.

    Problem is, if there are people who are openly gay in an Islamic societu which accepts them, then there's little doubt that they won't face prejudice by others.
    But you yourself defendef Sharia some pages ago:dontknow:

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    (Original post by KaminiZindagi)
    But you yourself defendef Sharia some pages ago:dontknow:

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    Yeah. I think its possible for homosexuals to live under the sharia. Sharia varies obviously from place to place.
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    (Original post by KaminiZindagi)
    But you yourself defendef Sharia some pages ago:dontknow:
    What exactly is Sharia? It depends on the individual you ask. For example, how important is ijma (Muslim consensus) and what authority does it hold? Are we talking of the consensus of the Salaf only, or the consensus of all Muslims over the centuries? Is there room for ijtihad within Sharia law? If someone says they support the Sharia therefore, it is difficult to fathom what concept of the Sharia they support without further clarification.
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    What exactly is Sharia? It depends on the individual you ask. For example, how important is ijma (Muslim consensus) and what authority does it hold? Are we talking of the consensus of the Salaf only, or the consensus of all Muslims over the centuries? Is there room for ijtihad within Sharia law? If someone says they support the Sharia therefore, it is difficult to fathom what concept of the Sharia they support without further clarification.
    Wouldn't even dream of giving an explanation like this one. Nicely said. :yy:
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    To an extent yes.

    Problem is, if there are people who are openly gay in an Islamic societu which accepts them, then there's little doubt that they won't face prejudice by others.
    Fair enough. It is worth noting that homosexuality was accepted in "Islamic Sharia" (I'd leave out discussions of true and righteous sharia for now) in the past so it is possible again , but there's still a long way to go
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    (Original post by uberteknik)
    Noooooo. :eek: It's worse than that. If a gay person sneezes or even farts in the same room, chances are you will pick up the airborne contamination and become gay too. :party2:
    Worse, if they fart, sneeze and touch at the same time
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    (Original post by Farah_786)
    No, everybody has freedom of choice, so if someone desires to be homosexual then that's their choice. In Islam homosexuality is forbidden however, I don't think a fellow human being can judge someone based on their sexual orientation
    The sample may have been biased.
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    One of the issues with the Quran is that it is not a chronological story. So if we look at the story of Lut, we find verses that say:


    Surah 29:28-29

    What this describes here is essentially the role of a highwayman who would prey on travellers. The role of such travellers and traders would have largely been a job undertaken by men, and therefore the victims of any such crimes here would be men. They are ambushing these men (so whatever is happening, it is not consensual) and performing immoral acts such as theft, rape etc...

    We also see in Surah 15:71, Lut goes as far as even offering his own daughters. This is because these men are clearly having extra-marital affairs (adultery) which Islam prohibits. Islam however permits a man to marry more than one woman, and so Lut seems to assume that maybe these individuals may not be satisfied by one woman, and so he offers them his daughters. This is his last resort to try and stop these men from committing such evils as adultery. Lut's line of thought is that maybe if they married another woman they might cease from committing adultery.

    The verse 7:80, the word l-fāḥishata is used to describe the immortality that is being committed. This comes from the root word "Fahisha" which Abdul Majid Daryabadi in his Tafsir ul Quran says:



    It would seem to imply extramarital sex is the issue here. So these are men, who are married and have wives, but are having extramarital sex. Such an interpretation makes sense when one reads the continuous prohibitions against adultery in the Quran. Why is the Quran so vocal on these issues? These teachings that we find about adultery are related to heterosexual relationships. Muhammad, being an orphan himself, knew first hand the problems of being an orphan. Children born out of wedlock or who were the result of adultery, were less likely to have a stable household. Marriage was an institution designed to provide a stable and safe environment for children. Marriage allowed for clear lines of responsibility in the raising of children and ensured that children knew who their parents were and whose duty it was to raise them

    It is also worth mentioning that in Surah 24 verse 31, women are told that they should cover themselves (dress moderately), but it lists a number of individuals whom they need not cover themselves from such as their husband, children and "men who lack physical desire". This passing reference is towards those who have no sexual attraction to women, The Quran is therefore acknowledging that homosexuality is not a choice, and for this reason, women need not cover themselves in front of them.

    Now there are people who will claim that the verse is actually talking about lutiya, that is sodomy or anal sex. But even if we do take this interpretation, the verse you quote is saying perform anal sex on women instead of men. Does that really solve the problem?

    It is also worth mentioning that in Surah An-Nisa verses 22-24, the Quran lists the many individuals who a man may not marry, for example, a man may not marry his mother, his sister, his sister's daughter, among many other individuals. However, among those listed as being prohibited for men to marry, one does not find any mention of those individuals of the same sex being prohibited. These verses don't forbid one from marrying their first cousin. Muslims consider this to be a rather complete list of prohibitions, and thus absence of a prohibition against marrying ones cousin has resulted in first cousin marriage being permitted in Islam.

    So even if we did take the verses regarding Lut to be prohibitions against sodomy, sodomy can be performed by heterosexual couples too. But one is quite able to have a heterosexual marriage where sodomy is not practiced. Equally so, one is able to have a same sex marriage where sodomy does not take place. Which would imply that as long as sodomy is not practiced, the Quran has no prohibition against same sex marriage.
    Yes, as a Muslim I completely agree with you! Its all due to culture and arrogance that has led to "Imams" on dictating the agenda, not the Quran nor its books.
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    Yeah. I think its possible for homosexuals to live under the sharia. Sharia varies obviously from place to place.
    For example, compare Turkey to Saudi, or Indonesia to Saudi. Saudi ban's homosexuality, whereas Indonesia doesen't - when Indonesia has a larger muslim population too. But ofcourse, Saudi Arabia are just corrupt & especially as they're wahabi.
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    As you can as the poll suggests, most of us disagree
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    (Original post by Oblivion99)
    For example, compare Turkey to Saudi, or Indonesia to Saudi. Saudi ban's homosexuality, whereas Indonesia doesen't - when Indonesia has a larger muslim population too. But ofcourse, Saudi Arabia are just corrupt & especially as they're wahabi.
    In the autonomous region of Aceh in Indonesia there are laws banning homosexuality, but outside of Aceh it is legal. But yeah, even in a single country you can get varying attitudes and rulings regarding these issues.
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    (Original post by KaminiZindagi)
    Would you want pork and homosexuality banned in Muslim countries ?

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    The prohibition of these things in Muslim countries would not concern you if you didn't live their and if anyone indulged in these things then I believe they should not be treated as a criminal as God is the ultimate judge. As it is against Islam to have pork or show acts of homosexuality then gay people or pork eaters may feel uncomfortable or judged by others in the country therefore will most likely leave.
    Similarly many Muslim countries e.g. those in the UAE prohibit women to be with males that are not relatives or spouse and these acts of for example dating can be criminalized if they are in public with e.g. a boyfriend. If this is banned/ illegal you have to respect the law of the land. If you don't like it or disagree with it get out. Simple.
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    (Original post by yasminkattan)
    Yh
    Why?
 
 
 
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