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    (Original post by jneill)
    That's historical not current.
    2014, not that long ago...

    Edit: whatever pollution tiny cambridge can produce, london will produce much more I can assure you
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    (Original post by WCF)
    2014, not that long ago...

    Edit: whatever pollution tiny cambridge can produce, london will produce much more I can assure you
    And if you sort the data diagonally you'll find it says whatever you wanted it to say.

    Stop trying to pretend that you have a rational basis for disliking most universities and liking others - your tastes are as irrational as anyone else's.
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    (Original post by Trapz99)
    Let's just agree that UCL is equally as good as Warwick... Except for the sciences maybe.
    yeah, I should clarify, I chose Warwick over UCL solely because I didn't like the claustrophobia of London, being from Norfolk. I'd consider them pretty much equal for Physics.
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    Whatever you say fam. Have fun choosing Loughborough and enjoying your ass of for the next 3 years while I go to UCL. But please keep in mind, I'm getting the job
    This is THE WORST, most ridiculous comment I've ever read on this whole site. You're the epitome of snob.

    Going to UCL is irrelevant if you have an attitude like yours.

    If you seriously think an idiot like you is going to get a job over a top class Loughborough grad with the same degree as you simply because you went to a slightly higher ranked university, then you're an idiot.

    It's people like you that epitomise the difference between being educated and being intelligent.

    Also, the university you go to is largely irrelevant comparing to the course you do, a Loughborough graduate with a mathematics, economics or business degree will be much more competitive in the job market than a UCL graduate with History, English literature, or psychology.

    TL;DR: You're an idiot. You haven't even started your university course yet and you're speaking like you're the CEO of Goldman Sachs kid. Good luck 'enjoying' the next three years of your life at a uni you chose because of an ambiguous measure 'prestige'.
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    (Original post by lw8)
    This is THE WORST, most ridiculous comment I've ever read on this whole site. You're the epitome of snob.

    Going to UCL is irrelevant if you have an attitude like yours.

    If you seriously think an idiot like you is going to get a job over a top class Loughborough grad with the same degree as you simply because you went to a slightly higher ranked university, then you're an idiot.

    It's people like you that epitomise the difference between being educated and being intelligent.

    Also, the university you go to is largely irrelevant comparing to the course you do, a Loughborough graduate with a mathematics, economics or business degree will be much more competitive in the job market than a UCL graduate with History, English literature, or psychology.

    TL;DR: You're an idiot. You haven't even started your university course yet and you're speaking like you're the CEO of Goldman Sachs kid. Good luck 'enjoying' the next three years of your life at a uni you chose because of an ambiguous measure 'prestige'.
    lol

    the butt hurt is sweet
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    (Original post by lw8)
    Good luck 'enjoying' the next three years of your life at a uni you chose because of an ambiguous measure 'prestige'.
    Aha, yet another Loughborough untermensch has been triggered. Maybe these crazy high expectations its students get as a result of being the 'Uni of the Year' is getting to their heads.
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    Aha, yet another Loughborough untermensch has been triggered. Maybe these crazy high expectations its students get as a result of being the 'Uni of the Year' is getting to their heads.
    what is the point in fueling pointless beef?

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    (Original post by Princepieman)
    what is the point in fueling pointless beef?

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    (Original post by JohnGreek)
    Aha, yet another Loughborough untermensch has been triggered. Maybe these crazy high expectations its students get as a result of being the 'Uni of the Year' is getting to their heads.
    Incredibly sad, probably got no friends considering you're resulting to pointless trolling on a student forum.
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    (Original post by lw8)
    Incredibly sad, probably got no friends considering you're resulting to pointless trolling on a student forum.
    The maturity in this comment is above and beyond what I expected. I haven't heard the 'you don't have any friends' meme since... I was in Year 9? Wow.

    (Btw I do genuinely believe what I said about L'boro, let's not start pretending it's somehow an academic powerhouse simply because it attracts the sort of students who feel more at home kicking balls around rather than studying.)
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    (Original post by JohnGreek)
    The maturity in this comment is above and beyond what I expected. I haven't heard the 'you don't have any friends' meme since... I was in Year 9? Wow.

    (Btw I do genuinely believe what I said about L'boro, let's not start pretending it's somehow an academic powerhouse simply because it attracts the sort of students who feel more at home kicking balls around rather than studying.)
    Never said it was an academic powerhouse. Does it have to be? It's still one of the best universities in the country. I don't personally care about how much research my university does, especially when the starting salary for graduate jobs on my course is likely higher than 95% of courses in more 'research heavy' unis. The course you take matters 10 times more than the university you attend. The job I derive at the end of the course is also 10 times more important than the university you attend. The professors at Loughborough care more about YOU than research, unlike a lot of unis. It attracts some of the best students, being an elite sport university only brings even more highly motivated individuals. That's my view on Loughborough.
    Your fickle and snobby view in life won't get you anywhere pal.
    Unless you're trolling me completely, in which case, you win, you got me triggered, well done!

    P.S. yes, I said you likely have no friends, because either you're completely uneducated on the subject, or a troll. I'm presuming you're the latter, in which case, you should stop trolling on an Internet forum and get some friends.
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    (Original post by lw8)
    Never said it was an academic powerhouse. Does it have to be?
    Glad to see the old Borough is still sending us its finest students

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    It's still one of the best universities in the country.
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    (Original post by lw8)
    I don't personally care about how much research my university does, especially when the starting salary for graduate jobs on my course is likely higher than 95% of courses in more 'research heavy' unis.
    Very much doubt it, but it's verifiable. What's the course? Even if it's decent, it doesn't outweigh the fact that the mighty Lough is not in the top ten for either starting graduate salaries or lifetime earnings, so my point, on average, still stands.

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    The course you take matters 10 times more than the university you attend. The job I derive at the end of the course is also 10 times more important than the university you attend.
    Citation #2 needed

    (Original post by lw8)
    The professors at Loughborough care more about YOU than research, unlike a lot of unis.
    I'm sure they do. They wouldn't be able to market themselves otherwise.

    (Original post by lw8)
    It attracts some of the best students, being an elite sport university only brings even more highly motivated individuals. That's my view on Loughborough.
    The best students... academically? Or in terms of sporting prowess? Motivation is a icky topic because it likely applies to every university that is decent at something, not just academia.

    L'boro's entry tariff is 411.3 according to the Guardian, and 410 according to CUG. That's thoroughly unimpressive, barely in the top 30 overall.

    Its yield was 16.9% last year [Source], which shows that it has a pretty hard time keeping its talent compared to other unis. Would expect an 'elite sport uni' with such a strong expertise to have a slightly higher retention, if I'm honest.

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    Your fickle and snobby view in life won't get you anywhere pal.
    Got me to a few vac schemes and a course at a better university with ever so slightly higher entry standards than yours

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    Unless you're trolling me completely, in which case, you win, you got me triggered, well done!
    I'm not actually, the point was entirely serious. It's why I'm still backing it up.

    (Original post by lw8)
    P.S. yes, I said you likely have no friends, because either you're completely uneducated on the subject, or a troll. I'm presuming you're the latter, in which case, you should stop trolling on an Internet forum and get some friends.
    The comparative is actually me revising, not making friends. Is L'Boro the sort of place where you're expected to socialise a month before exams?
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    (Original post by lw8)
    Never said it was an academic powerhouse. Does it have to be? It's still one of the best universities in the country.
    what are you measuring universities by if not academic standards? :confused:

    (Original post by lw8)
    especially when the starting salary for graduate jobs on my course is likely higher than 95% of courses in more 'research heavy' unis.
    lol
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    (Original post by JohnGreek)
    Glad to see the old Borough is still sending us its finest students


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    Very much doubt it, but it's verifiable. What's the course? Even if it's decent, it doesn't outweigh the fact that the mighty Lough is not in the top ten for either starting graduate salaries or lifetime earnings, so my point, on average, still stands.


    Citation #2 needed


    I'm sure they do. They wouldn't be able to market themselves otherwise.


    The best students... academically? Or in terms of sporting prowess? Motivation is a icky topic because it likely applies to every university that is decent at something, not just academia.

    L'boro's entry tariff is 411.3 according to the Guardian, and 410 according to CUG. That's thoroughly unimpressive, barely in the top 30 overall.

    Its yield was 16.9% last year Source, which shows that it has a pretty hard time keeping its talent compared to other unis. Would expect an 'elite sport uni' with such a strong expertise to have a slightly higher retention, if I'm honest.


    Got me to a few vac schemes and a course at a better university with ever so slightly higher entry standards than yours


    I'm not actually, the point was entirely serious. It's why I'm still backing it up.


    The comparative is actually me revising, not making friends. Is L'Boro the sort of place where you're expected to socialise a month before exams?
    Avg grad earnings is by far the dumbest metric I've seen.. There are so many flaws with it that have pretty much nothing to do with the university​ itself.

    Different subject mixes, different career ambitions (which in themselves have different terminal and starting avg compensation figures), different interests amongst students, location, company biases etc.. the list is long.

    Loughborough is a perfectly respectable university with its own strengths and 411 avg points upon entry is nothing to sniff at.

    (Although I'm only triggered by this argument because my sister is going there this year for one of their best subjects with an avg tariff of nearly 470 with only Edinburgh/Oxford being above it).



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    Avg grad earnings is by far the dumbest metric I've seen.. There are so many flaws with it that have pretty much nothing to do with the university​ itself.

    Different subject mixes, different career ambitions (which in themselves have different terminal and starting avg compensation figures), different interests amongst students, location, company biases etc.. the list is long.

    Loughborough is a perfectly respectable university with its own strengths and 411 avg points upon entry is nothing to sniff at.

    (Although I'm only triggered by this argument because my sister is going there this year for one of their best subjects with an avg tariff of nearly 470 with only Edinburgh/Oxford being above it).



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    If it wasn't, maybe the other poster shouldn't have brought it up. However, given the frequency with which he/she talks about 'earning more money than 95% of those at more research intensive unis', and caring about the job they'll surely end up getting, I guess it was a thing that still featured prominently on their radar.

    Being in the top 30 for entry tariffs may make you respectable (insofar as you're in the top quartile of unis), but it doesn't make you 'elite', not when you're being beaten by the likes of Dundee, UEA and Strathclyde.
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    If it wasn't, maybe the other poster shouldn't have brought it up. However, given the frequency with which he/she talks about 'earning more money than 95% of those at more research intensive unis', and caring about the job they'll surely end up getting, I guess it was a thing that still featured prominently on their radar.

    Being in the top 30 for entry tariffs may make you respectable (insofar as you're in the top quartile of unis), but it doesn't make you 'elite', not when you're being beaten by the likes of Dundee, UEA and Strathclyde.
    Scottish students do more subjects that bear more UCAS points.. Strathclyde is the place where decent scottish people go who want to escape the 'rah'-ness of the ancient unis.

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    Glad to see the old Borough is still sending us its finest students


    k


    Very much doubt it, but it's verifiable. What's the course? Even if it's decent, it doesn't outweigh the fact that the mighty Lough is not in the top ten for either starting graduate salaries or lifetime earnings, so my point, on average, still stands.


    Citation #2 needed


    I'm sure they do. They wouldn't be able to market themselves otherwise.


    The best students... academically? Or in terms of sporting prowess? Motivation is a icky topic because it likely applies to every university that is decent at something, not just academia.

    L'boro's entry tariff is 411.3 according to the Guardian, and 410 according to CUG. That's thoroughly unimpressive, barely in the top 30 overall.

    Its yield was 16.9% last year [Source], which shows that it has a pretty hard time keeping its talent compared to other unis. Would expect an 'elite sport uni' with such a strong expertise to have a slightly higher retention, if I'm honest.


    Got me to a few vac schemes and a course at a better university with ever so slightly higher entry standards than yours


    I'm not actually, the point was entirely serious. It's why I'm still backing it up.


    The comparative is actually me revising, not making friends. Is L'Boro the sort of place where you're expected to socialise a month before exams?
    What is your point about entry standards? Why is that relevant? Are you bragging about your grades? I wouldn't be surprised if I got higher grades than you. Not that that matters, but you really shouldn't be bragging about your grades online. What degree do you even do?

    This isn't a debate about what universities are better, this is simply me calling you a snob. No one cares if you 'went to a better university' in the long run. There are people that didn't even go to college that are infinitely more successful than you will ever be. Pipe down
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    If it wasn't, maybe the other poster shouldn't have brought it up. However, given the frequency with which he/she talks about 'earning more money than 95% of those at more research intensive unis', and caring about the job they'll surely end up getting, I guess it was a thing that still featured prominently on their radar.

    Being in the top 30 for entry tariffs may make you respectable (insofar as you're in the top quartile of unis), but it doesn't make you 'elite', not when you're being beaten by the likes of Dundee, UEA and Strathclyde.
    The way you say 'beaten' like it's a competition for higher entry standards? You're using ENTRY STANDARDS as a more important metric than AVERAGE STARTING SALARY. Let that sink in... Are you saying your a level results matter more than how much you earn in the long run? If you are, you need to get your priorities in check.
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    What is your point about entry standards? Why is that relevant? Are you bragging about your grades? I wouldn't be surprised if I got higher grades than you. Not that that matters, but you really shouldn't be bragging about your grades online. What degree do you even do?
    LSE Law. I wasn't bragging about my grades, just that Loughborough's grades are sub-par for the elite university it pretends to be. 411 UCAS points is distinctly decent, but not exactly gobsmattering.

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    This isn't a debate about what universities are better, this is simply me calling you a snob. No one cares if you 'went to a better university' in the long run. There are people that didn't even go to college that are infinitely more successful than you will ever be.
    Using exceptions as a means of proving my rule? You're doing my work for me. You're basically using a one-in-a-million billionaire as a sign that 'where you go to uni doesn't count', while disregarding the repeated evidence on higher earning potential of graduates from better universities, even if that is partly mitigated by things like higher entry tariffs, parental income, and so on:

    http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/g...parents-income (in general)
    https://www.timeshighereducation.com...ngs-university (for Law)

    I really don't mind being called a snob, particularly given that my views are substantiated with something more than hot air and angry capital letters.

    (Original post by lw8)
    The way you say 'beaten' like it's a competition for higher entry standards? You're using ENTRY STANDARDS as a more important metric than AVERAGE STARTING SALARY. Let that sink in... Are you saying your a level results matter more than how much you earn in the long run? If you are, you need to get your priorities in check.
    Never said that. I was addressing your point about the 'elite students' and 'highly motivated people' that seem to be ten a penny at the Borough. They don't seem to be that elite given L'boro's high offer rate, consistent appearance in Clearing, and low yields (i.e. low ratio of offers to enrolments).

    Would you mind providing some figures as to the apparently stupendous amounts of money you'll end up making in the long run? Even a Unistats page on starting graduate salaries will do. The only study I've seen on long-term earnings is this: http://www.nuffieldfoundation.org/si...les/wp1606.pdf (pg 36-37), which doesn't include Loughborough.
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    LSE Law. I wasn't bragging about my grades, just that Loughborough's grades are sub-par for the elite university it pretends to be. 411 UCAS points is distinctly decent, but not exactly gobsmattering.


    Using exceptions as a means of proving my rule? You're doing my work for me. You're basically using a one-in-a-million billionaire as a sign that 'where you go to uni doesn't count', while disregarding the repeated evidence on higher earning potential of graduates from better universities, even if that is partly mitigated by things like higher entry tariffs, parental income, and so on:

    http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/g...parents-income (in general)
    https://www.timeshighereducation.com...ngs-university (for Law)

    I really don't mind being called a snob, particularly given that my views are substantiated with something more than hot air and angry capital letters.


    Never said that. I was addressing your point about the 'elite students' and 'highly motivated people' that seem to be ten a penny at the Borough. They don't seem to be that elite given L'boro's high offer rate, consistent appearance in Clearing, and low yields (i.e. low ratio of offers to enrolments).

    Would you mind providing some figures as to the apparently stupendous amounts of money you'll end up making in the long run? Even a Unistats page on starting graduate salaries will do. The only study I've seen on long-term earnings is this: http://www.nuffieldfoundation.org/si...les/wp1606.pdf, which doesn't include Loughborough.
    TLDR, don't really have time for this.
    My uni is excellent.
    I'm enjoying my life.
    I take a course which I thoroughly enjoy and which will likely lead me onto a starting salary of £30k+
    I love myself (unlike you maybe?) and couldn't be happier. My university doesn't define me (unlike you clearly) I feel sad myself for even debating someone like you online, glad it's over. I tried to defend my uni from a snob like you but it's not worth it, you're stuck in your own little world.
    What are you even doing still replying to me? Searching for some kind of validation?
 
 
 
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