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    (Original post by ATW1)
    Inequality is a fact of life. I am not against it, I just accept it as it is. We aren't all equal and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
    I accept that too, but on levels. Saying gay men and women should be treated unequally because they love the same sex is completely unfounded and nonsensical.
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    (Original post by ATW1)
    Inequality is a fact of life. I am not against it, I just accept it as it is. We aren't all equal and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
    We arent equal because of where we are born. That's it. It's impractical and starkly anarchist to think we can do anything about the location of our birth. Everything else, such as race and sexuality and the privileges associated can be combatted.
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    (Original post by squirrel97)
    Definitely support it - in the same way as I don't believe anyone should be discriminated against on the grounds of race or gender, I don't believe sexuality should play a part in deciding whether a couple is allowed to be married.

    I have yet to understand what is wrong with polygamy.

    And no, I don't believe in animal-human marriage unless there is full consent from both animal and human.
    Why do people insist on comparing race to sexuality ?
    Go back a few pages and you'll see why that logic is flawed.
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    (Original post by #JOSH45#)
    Why do people insist on comparing race to sexuality ?
    Go back a few pages and you'll see why that logic is flawed.
    Because they are similar. Very similar.
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    Because they are similar. Very similar.
    The history of suffering isn't and gays can refrain from gay activity, blacks can't refrain from being black.

    Anyway not gonna engage with you. My mother taught me from a very young age "you can't argue with stupid". Bye.
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    No.



    Well, for a start, it's perfectly normal and natural. Furthermore, grow up - you probably don't give a toss about tradition.
    Oh, and you know all too well about that don't you? Before you comment on whether someone gives a toss about tradition or not - take some time to actually understand that person!
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    (Original post by #JOSH45#)
    The history of suffering isn't and gays can refrain from gay activity, blacks can't refrain from being black.

    Anyway not gonna engage with you. My mother taught me from a very young age "you can't argue with stupid". Bye.
    Yeah, okay, I'm clearly stupid... says the one who thinks you can stop being gay, lmfao.
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    (Original post by #JOSH45#)
    The history of suffering isn't and gays can refrain from gay activity, blacks can't refrain from being black.

    Anyway not gonna engage with you. My mother taught me from a very young age "you can't argue with stupid". Bye.
    So you think gay people should all be chaste to avoid discrimination?
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    (Original post by samklipas0)
    Oh, and you know all too well about that don't you? Before you comment on whether someone gives a toss about tradition or not - take some time to actually understand that person!
    I just don't buy that any teens or young adults of this century acthally care. It's just an accessible argument. Oh what, you mean like you get to know those you would forbid from being happy and inlove? Lmfao.
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    I just don't buy that any teens or young adults of this century acthally care. It's just an accessible argument.
    'Appeal to tradition' is actually known as a logical fallacy, interestingly enough.
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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    So you think gay people should all be chaste to avoid discrimination?
    That's absolutely not what I said. I simply stated that they have the ability to not engage in sexual activities if they were to be facing criminal charges whereas people of colour don't have the same ability.

    Edit :: You're clearly also quite an unintelligent person seeing as to how you managed to infer that I was saying gay people shouldn't have sex when I clearly stated "they can refrain" & either way in the older days heterosexual men and women had to remain chaste in order to avoid discrimination and celibacy was something that was expected so don't make it sound as if it would be impossible for gays to be chase.
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    (Original post by #JOSH45#)
    That's absolutely not what I said. I simply stated that they have the ability to not engage in sexual activities if they were to be facing criminal charges whereas people of colour don't have the same ability.
    They have that ability, yes, but is it not also arguable that sexuality is one of the most instinctual things to a human being? The drive to reproduce exists even where reproduction can't happen, as with gay people - they can suppress it, but they shouldn't have to.
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    (Original post by samklipas0)
    No I am completely against gay marriage! It is not normal for a start. I don't really have much against gay people themselves but why allow something like gay marriage ruin traditional values and traditional wedding values
    Tradition =/= Right

    It was also once traditional to throw people in prison for being gay, or once traditional to keep slaves, just because something is traditional, doesn't make it right, especially if that tradition negatively affects people.
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    (Original post by Olie)
    Tradition =/= Right

    It was also once traditional to throw people in prison for being gay, or once traditional to keep slaves, just because something is traditional, doesn't make it right, especially if that tradition negatively affects people.
    Like I said, it's a known fallacy, the appeal to tradition.
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    I just don't buy that any teens or young adults of this century acthally care. It's just an accessible argument. Oh what, you mean like you get to know those you would forbid from being happy and inlove? Lmfao.
    Well what does being happy and in love got to do with gay marriage. So going by your flawed logic, you are saying that if someone is happy and in love, then they should marry each other? So every gay college student who is happy and in love should get married then?

    I am entitled to an opinion as much as you are - I didn't come here to argue, just give my honest account - honesty - something that doesn't come to light much these days...
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    I've yet to come across a logical and valid reason why not. Assuming no religious institutions are forced to perform ceremonies (which in itself is still a grey area as the institution itself doesn't have the right to religious freedom, just the people that work there - so maybe individual priests etc.) then I haven't yet encountered a logically valid reason why not.
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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    They have that ability, yes, but is it not also arguable that sexuality is one of the most instinctual things to a human being? The drive to reproduce exists even where reproduction can't happen, as with gay people - they can suppress it, but they shouldn't have to.
    Yeah, of course it is. To reproduce via a man and a woman. It's hardly a desire to "reproduce" if reproduction is physically impossible in every way, it's more so a desire for sex (not that, that's a bad thing but it stems from a place of pleasure rather than producing offspring). & I didn't say that they should repress anything I'm just saying that they can, which you agree with, so I rest my case.
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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    Like I said, it's a known fallacy, the appeal to tradition.
    Ah yes, you beat me to it, just saw that
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    (Original post by #JOSH45#)
    Yeah, of course it is. To reproduce via a man and a woman. It's hardly a desire to "reproduce" if reproduction is physically impossible in every way, it's more so a desire for sex (not that, that's a bad thing but it stems from a place of pleasure rather than producing offspring). & I didn't say that they should repress anything I'm just saying that they can, which you agree with, so I rest my case.
    I'm not sure I agree where it stems from, but as I'm neither a biologist nor have done extensive research into the matter, it seems we agree on most things. Which is good enough for me!
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    Don't see what the problem is with gay marriage. They are entitled to the right to be just as happy as any other human couple on this planet.


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