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    (Original post by Galaxie501)
    I never blamed anyone for anything. If gender dysphoria is so different from depression then it should be treated by specially trained professionals and not normal psychiatrists.

    On a sidenote: I know from relatives that psychiatrists can be terrible when trying to treat depression. They open wounds where there were non.
    You're aware that Gender Identity Clinics are where trans people are approved for hormones and surgeries, right? It's not part of standard mental health services. The counsellors and psychiatrists etc. in GICs gatekeep ridiculously and the quality of treatment is disgustingly bad but they are 'specialists'.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    This article addresses a similar issue

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-lamar-beyonce

    "All kinds of people have been weighing in on the politics of Kendrick Lamar and Beyoncé’s recent performances. But sometimes, just sometimes, it’s black voices that matter most"
    In the article you linked and in the person I quoted's post, it came across as "you're not one of us therefore you don't have to like to speak about this issue." Obviously that's just rude and unjustified. I'm quite surprised that my post got taken down actually, I simply pointed out the hypocrisy of complaining about discrimination and then going on to discriminate against others. Though, I suppose I should expect this sort of thing from a website that's becoming increasingly like a safe space.
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    If you want trans people to have better lives then:

    1. Start treating us like we can make decisions about our bodies ourselves rather than needing cis people to tell us what to feel.

    2. Stop being transphobic and fight transphobia and transphobic discrimination when you see or hear it.

    3. Listen to what trans people want and need. Don't tell us what we should want. Demand other cis people listen to us as well.

    4. Celebrate transness rather than see it as something to be eradicated.

    We'll sort out doing what we want with our bodies to reduce any physical dysphoria we feel. Y'all can deal with getting rid of the systematic oppression that you force us to live with everyday.
    Nice list, and I'm happy to conform
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    In the article you linked and in the person I quoted's post, it came across as "you're not one of us therefore you don't have to like to speak about this issue." Obviously that's just rude and unjustified. I'm quite surprised that my post got taken down actually, I simply pointed out the hypocrisy of complaining about discrimination and then going on to discriminate against others. Though, I suppose I should expect this sort of thing from a website that's becoming increasingly like a safe space.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Nice list, and I'm happy to conform
    Great. Now stop worrying about whether or not we medically transition. Accept that medical transition IS the way of reducing physical dysphoria and therefore SHOULD be available on the NHS.
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    Great. Now stop worrying about whether or not we medically transition. Accept that medical transition IS the way of reducing physical dysphoria and therefore SHOULD be available on the NHS.
    I'm not worried about whether you medically transition, I don't care if you do, that's your choice. Don't try and force me to agree that it should be available on the NHS, I've already said that I don't agree and I've explained why: cosmetic surgery shouldn't be free
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    I'm not worried about whether you medically transition, I don't care if you do, that's your choice. Don't try and force me to agree that it should be available on the NHS, I've already said that I don't agree and I've explained why: cosmetic surgery shouldn't be free
    There are actually many reasons why surgeries that are purely cosmetic are provided on the NHS. People who have severe scarring due to burns are often given medical help to reduce that scarring. People with facial disfigurements which severe affect their mental health are often given cosmetic surgery to reduce the appearance of them. Cis women who've had a mastectomy due to breast cancer are offered a reconstruction.

    Maybe you believe that none of these things should be available on the NHS. In which case I'd tell you that you would be wrong, but at least you're consistent. But if you do think these are acceptable but funding medical transitions is wrong, then you're just an awful transphobic person...
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    Great. Now stop worrying about whether or not we medically transition. Accept that medical transition IS the way of reducing physical dysphoria and therefore SHOULD be available on the NHS.
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    Well I read in the independent the other day that they're apparently spending 9 million on homeopathy which is utterly absurd.If they have money to waste on homeopathy then I think they can afford to fund this.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    I'm not worried about whether you medically transition, I don't care if you do, that's your choice. Don't try and force me to agree that it should be available on the NHS, I've already said that I don't agree and I've explained why: cosmetic surgery shouldn't be free
    oh dear

    thankyou for demonstrating your utter lack of knowledge of the process , pathway and end outcomes of transition ...


    it is interesting that you feel the need to refer to treatment for transpeople as cosmetic , it;s almost as though you are auditioning for a 'journalist's' job with the Daily Sexpest or Heily Fail
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    (Original post by tanyapotter)
    Are you a mental health professional? If not, then how can you make the claim that gender dysphoria cannot be cured by surgery?

    Also, wanting gender reassignment surgery is not a "symptom" of gender dysphoria. Is wanting to be happy a symptom of depression? No. Constantly being sad is.

    You're making a ridiculous comparison to schizophrenia. To even compare transgenderism with wanting to be a mouse shows you don't have a clue what you're on about.

    You're right that is a ridiculous comparison.But what about Body integrity disorder?That disorder makes people feel like their limbs are not part of them.Should we allow them to have ampuatations?
    Honestly this is a difficult issue,on the one hand I feel that nobody would choose to be transgenser so its definitely not a choice.But on the other hand I think it is a mental illness.Its not really compatable to being gay because gay people dont want to mutilate their own bodies.Another thing I disagree with is that sombody is in the wrong body sorry but you are your body.You and your body are not seperate things, they're one and the same.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    You're right that is a ridiculous comparison.But what about Body integrity disorder?That disorder makes people feel like their limbs are not part of them.Should we allow them to have ampuatations?
    Honestly this is a difficult issue,on the one hand I feel that nobody would choose to be transgenser so its definitely not a choice.But on the other hand I think it is a mental illness.Its not really compatable to being gay because gay people dont want to mutilate their own bodies.Another thing I disagree with is that sombody is in the wrong body sorry but you are your body.You and your body are not seperate things, they're one and the same.
    Tbh I don't personally know any trans people who use the phrase 'in the wrong body' unless they're explaining it to cis people. It's commonly used in the media to sensationalise trans people's experiences. Some people might say their body feels 'wrong' or certain parts of their body are 'wrong' but most trans people accept that these are the bodies we have. Some of us need to make some changes to our bodies to make them fit better, to take away things that don't belong or add things that ought to be there.
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    Tbh I don't personally know any trans people who use the phrase 'in the wrong body' unless they're explaining it to cis people. It's commonly used in the media to sensationalise trans people's experiences. Some people might say their body feels 'wrong' or certain parts of their body are 'wrong' but most trans people accept that these are the bodies we have. Some of us need to make some changes to our bodies to make them fit better, to take away things that don't belong or add things that ought to be there.
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    There are actually many reasons why surgeries that are purely cosmetic are provided on the NHS. People who have severe scarring due to burns are often given medical help to reduce that scarring. People with facial disfigurements which severe affect their mental health are often given cosmetic surgery to reduce the appearance of them. Cis women who've had a mastectomy due to breast cancer are offered a reconstruction.

    Maybe you believe that none of these things should be available on the NHS. In which case I'd tell you that you would be wrong, but at least you're consistent. But if you do think these are acceptable but funding medical transitions is wrong, then you're just an awful transphobic person...
    The medical procedures you've mentioned do not fall under the category of cosmetic surgery, but more so reconstructive plastic surgery..to enable someone to resemble a normal appearance. I'm fine with such surgeries.

    I was waiting for you to throw around the T word. According to your logic, boob jobs, nose jobs, botox and liposuction should all be free on the NHS.
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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    oh dear

    thankyou for demonstrating your utter lack of knowledge of the process , pathway and end outcomes of transition ...


    it is interesting that you feel the need to refer to treatment for transpeople as cosmetic , it;s almost as though you are auditioning for a 'journalist's' job with the Daily Sexpest or Heily Fail
    It is cosmetic.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    It is cosmetic.
    thankyou once again for confirming your transphobia and ignorance.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    The medical procedures you've mentioned do not fall under the category of cosmetic surgery, but more so reconstructive plastic surgery..to enable someone to resemble a normal appearance. I'm fine with such surgeries.

    I was waiting for you to throw around the T word. According to your logic, boob jobs, nose jobs, botox and liposuction should all be free on the NHS.
    Actually, everything I mentioned is entirely cosmetic. They're done to improve people's mental health but don't change the functioning of the body. Bottom surgery for trans people (which is generally what people are talking about) isn't cosmetic at all. It entirely changes the way that body part functions.

    And again, being unhappy with wrinkles is entirely different to physical dysphoria.
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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    thankyou once again for confirming your transphobia and ignorance.
    Define transphobia.
    I suppose the NHS is transphobic too
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    Actually, everything I mentioned is entirely cosmetic. They're done to improve people's mental health but don't change the functioning of the body. Bottom surgery for trans people (which is generally what people are talking about) isn't cosmetic at all. It entirely changes the way that body part functions.

    And again, being unhappy with wrinkles is entirely different to physical dysphoria.
    Surgery to repair badly burned skin or to reconstruct a breast is not done to improve mental health. It is done to improve appearance.

    So, do you think that all cosmetic surgeries (such as the ones I've mentioned) should be free too?
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    Tbh I don't personally know any trans people who use the phrase 'in the wrong body' unless they're explaining it to cis people. It's commonly used in the media to sensationalise trans people's experiences. Some people might say their body feels 'wrong' or certain parts of their body are 'wrong' but most trans people accept that these are the bodies we have. Some of us need to make some changes to our bodies to make them fit better, to take away things that don't belong or add things that ought to be there.
    Do you not find something deeply troubling about needing to change your body to fit society's expectations rather than working to deconstruct society's prejudices and expectations? Once we live in a society where there is no pressure, judgment or any other negativity associated with failing to uphold traditional gender norms - e.g. there is no expectation for someone who is biologically male to be of the male gender - don't you think those whose sex and gender are not 'aligned' will cease to experience dysphoria? If gender and sex are different things, I think there is something fundamentally wrong with the concept of the two being 'aligned' or not.
 
 
 
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