Why abortion should be illegal

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    People will always morally justify murder when they think it suits them, from the basic dehumanising language ["it's a foetus, a FOETUS, listen to how clinical and Latinate that sounds, how am I morally wrong here?"] to relying on vague notions of when life begins that has no scientific legitimacy.

    People who also see themselves as progressive, liberal, in their eyes post-religious people try to shove the morality of the debate conveniently into a religious playing field so as to disqualify themsleves from the game. A religious world-view almost always is against abortion not because the moral content of the act is wholly contained in a religious morality seen as antiquidated by the modern atheist progressive and therefore free to be left behind, rather a religious world-view enshrines absolutely the sanctity of life doctrially: it demands its respect rather than placing it subject to scientific definition. In other words don't be put off by the religious defence, you young staunchly-atheistic, modern young reader.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Not only were the images in the video misleading (it made the fetus at 12 weeks looked much bigger than it would be in reality), but fetuses couldn't feel pain until 23-24 weeks, so the "ripping it apart" thing was no different from cutting your hair or your nails.

    70% of all fertilized eggs failed to be carried to full-term, and fetuses are not given any right to begin with, so it's ridiculous to claim that it's a human and cannot be killed. At the very least you will need to support counting age from conception, giving fetuses free money and housing, issuing passports to fetuses, and the possibility to try a fetus.
    Your arguments on this thread have been absolutely appauling.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    You need a passport to take an infant on to a flight and you should need one for your fetus if you think it should be legally recognized as human.
    You have actually repeated this argument throughout this thread. With sincerity. Jesus Christ.
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    (Original post by Giotto)
    Your arguments on this thread have been absolutely appauling.
    It's OK.

    Since you can't spell, I don't really expect you to comprehend texts let alone producing arguments on your own.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    It's OK.

    Since you can't spell, I don't really expect you to comprehend texts let alone producing arguments on your own.
    A single typo in a sentence written at about one in the morning. Nice try.
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    (Original post by Giotto)
    A religious world-view almost always is against abortion not because the moral content of the act is wholly contained in a religious morality seen as antiquidated by the modern atheist progressive and therefore free to be left behind, rather a religious world-view enshrines absolutely the sanctity of life doctrially: it demands its respect rather than placing it subject to scientific definition. In other words don't be put off by the religious defence, you young staunchly-atheistic, modern young reader.
    Delusional.

    Religions often oppose abortion because most major religions were created by men who wished to control women. It's the exact same reason why the "religious world view" opposes premarital sex, divorce, or even rape.

    Scientifically-speaking, a "life" isn't well-defined so no-one is arguing that at 24 weeks it becomes a life, but rather that this "being" starts to feel and think and thus shouldn't be aborted. You want a scientific basis? There you go - science tells you when a fetus is developed enough to feel pain and have thoughts.

    I'd also like to point out the fact that you haven't produced any argument at all, but rather just asserted that the religious view is the correct view.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    It's OK.

    Since you can't spell, I don't really expect you to comprehend texts let alone producing arguments on your own.
    Do you want to go over again how we should charge foetuses for seats on flights?
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Delusional.

    Religions often oppose abortion because most major religions were created by men who wished to control women. It's the exact same reason why the "religious world view" opposes premarital sex, divorce, or even rape.

    Scientifically-speaking, a "life" isn't well-defined so no-one is arguing that at 24 weeks it becomes a life, but rather that this "being" starts to feel and think and thus shouldn't be aborted. You want a scientific basis? There you go - science tells you when a fetus is developed enough to feel pain and have thoughts.

    I'd also like to point out the fact that you haven't produced any argument at all, but rather just asserted that the religious view is the correct view.
    You haven't understood what you just quoted. Read it again.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Delusional.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Religions often oppose abortion because most major religions were created by men who wished to control women.
    Yes. This is absolutely true. They were "created" by men to control women. That explains the major religions. That's theology done, any other subjects need doing?
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    (Original post by Giotto)
    Do you want to go over again how we should charge foetuses for seats on flights?
    Do you actually have a rebuttal or are you too dense to produce any?
    (Original post by Giotto)
    You haven't understood what you just quoted. Read it again.
    Oooh so you're one of those people who would just shout "YOU'RE WRONG" and leave it at that.

    Just to make this clear for you, the religious argument didn't fail because they defined "life" incorrectly or because it's really just an opinion and not an argument, but the fact that it's not actually being used at all.

    "All lives are sacred", except lives that aren't animals, except animals that aren't humans, except humans who have committed certain crimes/people who attempted to murder me/enemies from a country we're fighting.

    If you do, unlike your religious peers, apply the principal to all lives, then you can start forming an argument. Why are lives sacred per se? Why are lives sacred but not other things? Why does something being "sacred" means it cannot be terminated in a certain state on Earth?

    But I highly doubt you actually uphold that "religious world view" anyway - unless you're a robot, you will have murdered other lives. So to form an argument, you will need to then explain why a human life is sacred but not a chicken's.

    And your religious peer already responded to that - animals who aren't humans can be murdered because God said so.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Do you actually have a rebuttal or are you too dense to produce any?

    Oooh so you're one of those people who would just shout "YOU'RE WRONG" and leave it at that.

    Just to make this clear for you, the religious argument didn't fail because they defined "life" incorrectly or because it's really just an opinion and not an argument, but the fact that it's not actually being used at all.

    "All lives are sacred", except lives that aren't animals, except animals that aren't humans, except humans who have committed certain crimes/people who attempted to murder me/enemies from a country we're fighting.

    If you do, unlike your religious peers, apply the principal to all lives, then you can start forming an argument. Why are lives sacred per se? Why are lives sacred but not other things? Why does something being "sacred" means it cannot be terminated in a certain state on Earth?

    But I highly doubt you actually uphold that "religious world view" anyway - unless you're a robot, you will have murdered other lives. So to form an argument, you will need to then explain why a human life is sacred but not a chicken's.

    And your religious peer already responded to that - animals who aren't humans can be murdered because God said so.
    Something that stupid does not need to be rebutted.

    You still haven't understood basic sentences. I am not religious, I do not have a religious view.


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    (Original post by amylaraman)
    I don't think we should put a bunch of cells that will eventually become a human over an actual living breathing human, with a life, goals and dreams that objects to having something unwanted growing inside her. It's absolutely absurd. I have absolutely no problem with early term abortion (you're destroying a bunch of cells). It's when it gets to later on and the baby is pretty much fully developed and then the mother just changes her mind. (some countries still do it) Like ***** please. you had months to know what you wanted!
    So you don't agree with the UK's law of abortion up to 6 months of pregnancy? That's certainly not "early term pregnancy" - it's almost the final trimester.
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    (Original post by macromicro)
    So you don't agree with the UK's law of abortion up to 6 months of pregnancy? That's certainly not "early term pregnancy" - it's almost the final trimester.
    That is not an accurate reflection of the UK law on abortion, as you must know.
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    (Original post by ihatePE)
    what people do with their body is none of my concern tbh, the fetus is still part of their body. Raped or not, i think abortion is something the women would have spent tiring hours deciding upon, so no it's not an easy decision and they shouldn't have to face what other self righteous people think about it either
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    The only time abortion should become illegal is when every pro-lifer decides that they will personally adopt each and every baby that they didn't prevent being born. Having a child is a huge responsibility, and just because you are pregnent, doesn't mean you are ready. A woman shouldn't be forced to sign away 18 years, or more, of her life just because someone else felt it was morally wrong for her to try and rectify a mistake. There are so many circumstances where an abortion is reasonable, for example, a product of rape, a threat to the mother's life, a child that will be brought up in a family that cannot financially support it, a child that will be brought up in a home which will not love it, and so on. Would you rather a child was born into an abusive household than just aborted? I know it's an extreme example, but if you outlaw abortion altogether, then it is a reasonable example. Foster homes struggle as it is, we are living in an age where abortion has become a lot safer, why should we stray back into the dark ages to keep the few happy, and the many miserable?
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    (Original post by L i b)
    I don't really have much of a problem with people who say "a foetus before x stage of development can be aborted freely". It's the ones who suggest there should be regulation of abortion, but with exceptions. That's, as far as I can see it, an admission that you're depriving life. While obviously that's a reasonable medical judgement to make where, say, the mother's life is at risk, how you can possibly justify it in cases of sexual assault is beyond me..
    What is your argument for justifying the banning of abortion in cases of rape?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    That is not an accurate reflection of the UK law on abortion, as you must know.
    Feel free to describe a more accurate reflection of the law rather than just objecting, which I cannot respond to.
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    (Original post by macromicro)
    Feel free to describe a more accurate reflection of the law rather than just objecting, which I cannot respond to.
    Unless there is substantial risk to the mother's life, abortion can only be performed on a foetus that is younger than 24 weeks gestation (and then only in an NHS hospital), and the agreement of two doctors is required. Only 8% were performed beyond even thirteen weeks in 2014, and only 1 in a thousand (just 211) went beyond 24 weeks (and all to save the mother).
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Unless there is substantial risk to the mother's life, abortion can only be performed on a foetus that is younger than 24 weeks gestation (and then only in an NHS hospital), and the agreement of two doctors is required. Only 8% were performed beyond even thirteen weeks in 2014, and only 1 in a thousand (just 211) went beyond 24 weeks (and all to save the mother).
    How does this contradict my post?

    24 weeks = 6 months...
 
 
 
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