Sick of being a muslim woman

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    (Original post by TelAviv)
    what is evidence for this?
    Haven't you read the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion? It tells everything.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    I am a 19 year old muslim female. On the surface, I appear to be the ideal muslim e.g. I wear the hijab, my clothes aren't very fitted (although I do wear skinny jeans- all my tops have to go past my bum). But I'm sick of it. After researching Islam, I don't identify with any of it. I genuinely believe religion is bs.

    The thing is, I live in an area which is full of judgemental muslims and my mum would die of shame if I was to take my scarf off and start dressing how I want to (my father died when I was young so she wants her daughters to be seen as respectable as opposed to 'loose'. This year, I gained a place at manchester uni and I saw this as my way out, I thought going to uni away from home would allow me to dress and live how I wanted to. However, I missed the grades for manchester and had to settle for a uni closer to home so now I'm going to be living at home for uni.

    So my dilemma is :should I just stick it out for 3 years and move away when I have a job or should I work hard at uni and transfer to a different uni for second year (but I fear being lonely cause everyone will know each other from first year)..whenever I stay over with my friends at their unis, I just love the freedom available to me and all I want is to live my life the way I want to live it rather than adhering to the rules of a religion which I do not identify with
    That's a shame about missing out on Manchester! Which uni have you ended up going to?

    Did you phone Manchester and try and get in anyway??
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    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    Thank you TSR for banning that pedophile supporting lowlife .
    There are no shortage of underage chavs engaging in intercourse. Aren't they not paedophiles surely? Yet early teens shagging is not only quite normal, its tacitly approved of by the government who reward teen mothers with houses and benefits. Why not get to the root of the problem and really tackle the culture of extra/pre marital relationships? The conservative government used to reward conventional marriage, nowadays popular culture almost sneers at these people like they are middle class fuddy duddies.
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    (Original post by TW3 Man)
    There are no shortage of underage chavs engaging in intercourse. Aren't they not paedophiles surely? Yet early teens shagging is not only quite normal, its tacitly approved of by the government who reward teen mothers with houses and benefits. Why not get to the root of the problem and really tackle the culture of extra/pre marital relationships? The conservative government used to reward conventional marriage, nowadays popular culture almost sneers at these people like they are middle class fuddy duddies.
    Although they breaking the law, they aren't pedophiles as usually two people engaging in who are both underage are consenting.

    Thats is a totally different point to supporting the sexual relationship between their scumbag subhuman prophet and a 9 year old girl. You're not indirectly defending it are you?

    Marriage, although should be a respected institution has nothing to do with it.
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    (Original post by TW3 Man)
    If the 9 year old had all the usual signs of physical maturity then its not paedophilia. Provided the families approve of the marriage and both of them gain then you can't argue with that really. What is worse is a drunken ONS between two uneducated 14 year olds; that is much more of a widespread problem in this country and the OP in rejecting Islam in a way is buying in to this subculture (not even subculture really its mainstream).
    We have another Muslim condoning pedophillia. The truth of Islam really is coming out here isn't it?

    If you don't like the culture here, move to Saudi Arabia.

    Two 14 year olds having sex is not the same as a grown "man" (as pedophiles aren't men, they are the scum of the Earth) having sex with a 9 year old.
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    (Original post by Mikaela!)
    wow agreed!
    That was a warm up (see below).
    (Original post by inhuman)
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    (Original post by lawyer3c)
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    Your passion towards this subject is admirable. Can we please ensure that you're trying to help the OP at all times (e.g. through advice) instead of falling into a private argument - otherwise it almost always ends up off topic. It's great that you're providing OP with a range of options, but not that you are nearly resorting to bickering. Thanks.
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    (Original post by Freddie010)
    I'm going to keep this post short as I can't be bothered to type out loads of advice due to the likely event that it will be ignored completely.

    1) If your mum objects she is not a good mother and you should try and ignore the subsequent fall out.

    2) Just because you go to university close to home that does not mean by any stretch of the imagination that you have to live at home. You are well with in your rights to apply for university housing down the street to your family home if need be. You will have it approved no questions asked. Tell your mum you want to be independent and move out. If she asks why tell her it's none of her ****ing business.

    3) Apostasy is a crime to some within the Islamic community. Tell your friends of your plan and have them look out for you. Do not trust anyone even uncles or brothers etc.

    TL;DR just do what you want. This is the United Kingdom, the bastion of freedom and acceptance (contrary to what the social justice morons will tell you) Do what you want and be proud of it. The sooner you "come out" the better. Ask any lgbt person.
    I won't ignore you. Great advice. I'm now about to sort out the lunatics.
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    How did OP get 23 reps though
    And transfer after first year, if you're scared of not making friends then lmao u are not ready. I've completed first year of my course and i only know 0.01% of my group. It isnt sixth form lol.
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    Okay you, erm, mistaken (that's the polite word) user: let's set you straight.
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    The west is no doubt very progressive and in some ways quite successful, but its become flabby and decadent.
    And this is related to OP's problem how? I thought so. This statement I therefore reject as off-topic. Next!
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    Families are dysfunctional, they don't educate and discipline the young properly and boy is it starting to show; there are very few English people doing decent courses at the good unis now, its mostly funnily enough people from Asian backgrounds.
    And your definition of decent courses is what? Because some people will inevitably disagree with you. You have provided no evidence for this assertion and therefore it is rejected. No evidence has been provided of your claim that: families are dysfunctional. What all families? Your opinion is that the young people are not being educated or disciplined 'properly' what you mean by 'properly' is not clear apart from the fact that it originates from own opinion. Therefore, this statement can be rejected by lack of substance. Next!
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    Most of the doctors, economists, dentists, IT people - very few of them are native. A large proportion of young natives now if they aren't delinquent chavs are becoming homosexual cuckolds lured in to studying *******s about women and the environment when we really want these ***** to be building bridges and splitting atoms.
    In case you hadn't noticed, this thread is about OP's struggle with her own identity and her future steps. Your deeply prejudiced and inaccurate comments contribute nothing to that. You have no supportive evidence of your vivid, wild and fantastical claims; thus, you have either made them up (and thus don't believe them) or (if you do believe yourself) you need help (emotionally). Therefore, this statement is rejected for being off-topic and inaccurate. Next!
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    All the western accomplishments came from decades/centuries ago, but what are the bloated ****tards doing now? Its all gone to China, India, Middle East because even if they aren't following the Quran, the South Asian principles ensure that the bedrock of society, the conventional nuclear family, is maintained rigorously
    Ok so you offend a significant proportion of the human race (which benefits nobody) and then produce some ill-defined ideology which you categorise as 'South Asian' which includes countries riddled with terrorism like Afghanistan as well as some of the world's poorest countries like Nepal and doesn't include China or the Middle East. So not only do you lack a sound geographical knowledge, but that also devalues your principles argument into negligence. Therefore I reject this line of argument as frankly: nonsense. Next!
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    Best thing for westerners to do now is go right back to their Christian roots.
    Like the Crusades! Yeah! Let's pillage Asia! Come-on everyone, get your swords! This statement is consequently rejected due it being too vague, allowing a potentially fanatical meaning. Next!
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    I have no problem with Christianity,
    Yet you claim that anyone who isn't Muslim isn't human? This statement is rejected for hypocrisy.
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    if it gets people to church every week and provides that core moral framework then fair play. Get the youth off of their computers, their phones, their social networking, twitter, tinder and all the rest of it and get them in the gym or doing hard physical jobs in the community or studying medicine.
    So you want young people to be forced to do manual labour? Neither is this legally acceptable, it is also deeply unrealistic. For those two reasons (illegality and unrealism) this statement is rejected. Next!
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    No more homosexual cuckolded flabby deliquency but traditional family/gender/community roles, which of course Islam provides second to none.
    This statement is completely prejudicial, unsupported and thus inaccurate. Yes and this thread is a great example of how Islam is great for embedding traditional roles isn't it? The number of people (particularly the young) trying to escape these roles that they are forced into is rising in the UK [Evidence].
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    Women in the domestic, pastoral fold and men in the corporate/physical environment.
    That reminds me of Nineteenth century Britain. The idea of separate spheres is not only outdated, but also usually deeply sexist. Can we not all be treated as individuals? Irrespective of gender, race etc.? Putting equality to one side for the moment, is it not the case that every human being makes a vast array of big life decisions on their own, without being forced by anyone? So why should people be limited to particular roles? This point is very relevant to OP's situation and so it is not rejected, but is contested.
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    That is close to our biological roots and how we have adapted since time immemorial. Progressiveism is killing the West these days.
    Progressiveism does not exist. It isn't a word. If you meant Progressivism, that was existent in the USA in the early part of the twentieth century, I don't think it is killing the west these days, perhaps you could have explained why considering it is 100 years past. This is close to our biological roots:http://www.chimpanzeefacts.org/wp-co...impanzee-3.jpg Do you think this is consistent with your earlier statements about sexual virtue? No. I didn't think so. Hence, this statement is rejected on the grounds of hypocrisy. Next!
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    I think Mohammad also said the value of a mother was worth 3 times that of a father - some lecture Zakir Naik gave online I'll see if I can find it.....
    And I think people do not have an attached 'value' and that while bringing a child into the world is a good thing, it is not compulsory (this is actually a fact) and therefore, this quotation is almost completely irrelevant to a gender comparison. I do not believe that given OP's circumstances, she is or is even considering parenting. Therefore, this statement is rejected for being irrelevant.
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    It wasn't really paedophilia back then because life expectancy was lower and even today women can hit puberty as early as 9/10. Westerners can't even agree on the age of consent whether its 14/16/18 and there is all this nonsense about whether a drunken woman is able to give consent or not. Bottom line if they aren't in education and they are physically mature, marry them off and make decent women of them, rather than corrupting/degrading both men and women having them mix in universities, in pubs/clubs, in the workplace.
    Neither is this debate relevant to this thread or to the UK a the moment. Life expectancy has no bearing on paedophilia - let me make that absolutely clear. A justification for paedophilia is not that the victim would die sooner therefore their age as a proportion of their life compares to the age of consent for an average life - that is simply incorrect legally, regardless of your own personal opinions. The point of an age of consent is not just for the of protecting immature bodies. Another reason is to define a point at which the brain is fully developed in order for an individual to make a conscious decision to engage in sexual activity. This point is not achieved until at least 12 - therefore, engaging in activity at the age of 9 will always be illegal/immoral regardless of maturity. I feel that your idea of the matrimonial harmony between two people is significantly undervalued by your comments here and implies a significant lack of choice (a relevant point touched on above). Also, the idea that only when married do women become 'decent' is also deeply flawed, sexist and misogynistic. I am rather puzzled as to what corrupts or degrades people by mixing genders? Does something rub off?What happens? Do you even know yourself if you are such a firm believer in opposition? Because your views presented here are deeply sexist, prejudiced and misinformed, I take great pleasure is rejecting this statement as pure nonsense. Next!
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    Yah doctor is ok man. But they shouldnt be on a trade floor or a building site that is societally destabilising. Medical field is fine
    So you are opposed to women making money as well. This only further embeds your sexism. And how do building sites de-stabilise a society? I thought building sites were all about improving a society (by building things). This does support your preference towards living six million years ago when we were the same as chimpanzees - they didn't build things then either. However, I struggle to imagine a world without building. As your comments regarding building sites are neither relevant to this thread or even sensible, I reject this (very funny) statement.
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    Not that UK immigration policy is much better, with native Brits at the bottom and other white europeans given preferential treatment. Its so ridiculous that Romanian criminal gangs can slide in here and a doctor from Australia or India can't.
    I would love to see evidence of the latter. Presuming that you refer to jobs: Other white Europeans only get preferential treatment if they have a better CV or are willing to work for less. If British people possess neither of these attributes, then they should not expect a job - it is their fault. All of this has little to do with this discussion and thus this statement is rejected.
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    Western society is being undermined by constant gender bending.
    This statement is not supported by evidence and is therefore rejected. Next!
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    We are ending up with 40 year old first time mothers, middle aged single men addicted to video games, teen mothers - its all part of the zionists elites plan to destroy western society from within.
    And all of this is bad because?And all of this is not straight out of you head because? And all of this is relevant to this discussion because? Statement rejected for resenting the above groups with no reason apparent. Next!QUOTE=PursuitOfJannah;67209 148]Go back to basics and get 14 year old boys back in the gyms and doing physics and women learning to cook, knit, look after children.[/QUOTE]14 year old boys and girls must complete exercise during the school week as part of the national curriculum. They must also study physics as part of the national curriculum until the age of 16. Boys and girls both learn catering skills as well as textiles up to 14 years old as part of compulsory education within the national curriculum. Children can also choose to study things like health and social care in many institutions - although parenting cannot be directly taught as there are many different parenting techniques. Therefore, all of your suggestions are already in place. This statement is rejected for contributing nothing to this discussion. Next!
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    That is what will re-mediate our ailing communities - get em off the mobile phones, the social media, the tinder, the twitter and away from light entertainers like Russell Brand and Graham Norton.
    Forcing children away from modern technology is your solution to what you perceive to be societal problems but what many people believe are good things within our society. This is completely irrelevant to this thread and consequently, the statement is rejected. Next!
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    As I said intercourse with physically mature adolescents isn't paedophilia,
    In many cases it is: legally. This statement is completely incorrect and is thus rejected. Next!
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    the life expectancy was lower, people didn't spend years at college/uni. Probably a 10 year old girl back then was somewhat fertile and her and her family stood to gain quite a lot from a union with a middle aged man. Provided both families agreed to the marriage there is no controversy here.
    Again. Completely (legally) wrong. These unsupported and nonsensical statements are hereby rejected. Next!
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    ISIS is BS. All Israeli armed/funded. Everything you have ever read about Islamic terrorism is a zionist fabrication.
    Including the fact that they exist? I think not. This statement is rejected for being exaggerated beyond belief.
    (Original post by PursuitOfJannah)
    Well I think copulations outside of marriage should be illegal anyway. Most women show signs of physical maturity at 14 so marriage should be legal from 14 upwards.
    Marriage is set at 16 because at that point in a child's life, various legal changes are made for that child's position. This statement is again irrelevant to this thread and is thus rejected.To conclude: all but one of your statements have been rejected. Either because they do not relate to this thread, or because they are simply wrong: often both. I would like to see a response for the one valid point that you made. In the future though, please try and stay on-topic. Any rejections will not be justified in the future, I did this here as a courtesy only. Good day.
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    (Original post by TW3 Man)
    There are no shortage of underage chavs engaging in intercourse.
    And that justifies paedophilia? Right OK.
    (Original post by TW3 Man)
    Aren't they not paedophiles surely?
    Regardless of their title, it's still illegal.
    (Original post by TW3 Man)
    Yet early teens shagging is not only quite normal, its tacitly approved of by the government who reward teen mothers with houses and benefits.
    It isn't approved of and benefits are not rewards. The reality is that most young/teen mothers usually get pregnant by accident - providing support for them is more of charity than reward.
    (Original post by TW3 Man)
    Why not get to the root of the problem and really tackle the culture of extra/pre marital relationships?
    Because that isn't illegal.
    (Original post by TW3 Man)
    The conservative government used to reward conventional marriage,
    How? Wedding presents?
    (Original post by TW3 Man)
    nowadays popular culture almost sneers at these people like they are middle class fuddy duddies.
    Some sections of society have that opinion yes, and there is usually an opposite sentiment of equal magnitude.
    (Original post by Josb)
    Try also to go abroad with Erasmus for your second year.
    That's good advice.
    (Original post by Spidersmudge)
    Which uni have you ended up going to?
    OP might not want to reveal where she lives given the Anonymous.
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    (Original post by samina_ay)
    How did OP get 23 reps though
    And transfer after first year, if you're scared of not making friends then lmao u are not ready. I've completed first year of my course and i only know 0.01% of my group. It isnt sixth form lol.
    I thought that after first year people have already established little groups and thats who they live and stay tight with in second and third year so I would feel kinda lonely trying to break into that
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    I think this whole discussion on the OP's concerns and the fact that pedophillia has been condoned and supported by Muslims, tells you a lot about what Islam is really like.

    Don't you?

    If Islam was the "religion of peace", the OP wouldn't have to make this thread, wouldn't have any of the concerns she does and pedophiles would not bed adored and pedophillia wouldn't be supported.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    I thought that after first year people have already established little groups and thats who they live and stay tight with in second and third year so I would feel kinda lonely trying to break into that
    Trust me, a lot of friendships that have originated in first year normally stem from halls and as a consequence, many of these are friendships out of convenience. I had a great time with my first year flatmates but I don't speak to any of them now and have made a whole set of new and better friends.

    I personally think that it's the second year to third year transition where things may get harder but this isn't secondary school. People won't reject you on the spot. And if you are worried, there's always societies.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    I think this whole discussion on the OP's concerns and the fact that pedophillia has been condoned and supported by Muslims, tells you a lot about what Islam is really like.
    If Islam was the "religion of peace", the OP wouldn't have to make this thread, wouldn't have any of the concerns she does and pedophiles would not bed adored and pedophillia wouldn't be supported.
    Islam is like an umbrella, staying under is is usually a good thing. But there are a couple of holes where you get leaks in which case, it's better to put the umbrella down and face the rain. However, there are some people, who have a broken umbrella, with no canvas, so they cannot really claim to have an umbrella because it's really just a stick. So they claim they are using an umbrella, but they are really not.
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    And then they kill innocent people, and claim they're doing it for the umbrella. When in reality, they don't have an umbrella.
    Does that make sense?
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    (Original post by Mikaela!)
    Hi, i definitely think you should think about why you would like to leave islam, and think about why you feel constrained to this thing called religion.
    It's because religion is like a prison, there is no freedom in it.
    Think about freedom, freedom that is available to all. I found that freedom in Jesus Christ my saviour xx
    'Saviour' lol, yeah right
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    I am a 19 year old muslim female. On the surface, I appear to be the ideal muslim e.g. I wear the hijab, my clothes aren't very fitted (although I do wear skinny jeans- all my tops have to go past my bum). But I'm sick of it. After researching Islam, I don't identify with any of it. I genuinely believe religion is bs.

    The thing is, I live in an area which is full of judgemental muslims and my mum would die of shame if I was to take my scarf off and start dressing how I want to (my father died when I was young so she wants her daughters to be seen as respectable as opposed to 'loose'. This year, I gained a place at manchester uni and I saw this as my way out, I thought going to uni away from home would allow me to dress and live how I wanted to. However, I missed the grades for manchester and had to settle for a uni closer to home so now I'm going to be living at home for uni.

    So my dilemma is :should I just stick it out for 3 years and move away when I have a job or should I work hard at uni and transfer to a different uni for second year (but I fear being lonely cause everyone will know each other from first year)..whenever I stay over with my friends at their unis, I just love the freedom available to me and all I want is to live my life the way I want to live it rather than adhering to the rules of a religion which I do not identify with
    You said you're not a Muslim so how can you be sick of something you're not?
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    I thought that after first year people have already established little groups and thats who they live and stay tight with in second and third year so I would feel kinda lonely trying to break into that
    The thread seems to have meandered. I thought you hadnt yet started Uni.

    If so I will repeat I think you are making a mistake going to a uni that you dont wnat and living at home, when thats soemthing you also wnat to aboid.

    Its imperative you go to the University that most suits you and where you can be happy. Its life changing just as going to a Uni you dont want to be at and living at home if thats not what you want. You really should consider resitting and doing yourself justice. Theres a very good chance you will regret this otherwise. I'd value my happiness as pretty important and hope you follow it.

    In the first year you do tend to establish a core group. You have 1 years shared experience. You can still make other friends, but it becomes less common.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    I am a 19 year old muslim female. On the surface, I appear to be the ideal muslim e.g. I wear the hijab, my clothes aren't very fitted (although I do wear skinny jeans- all my tops have to go past my bum). But I'm sick of it. After researching Islam, I don't identify with any of it. I genuinely believe religion is bs.

    The thing is, I live in an area which is full of judgemental muslims and my mum would die of shame if I was to take my scarf off and start dressing how I want to (my father died when I was young so she wants her daughters to be seen as respectable as opposed to 'loose'. This year, I gained a place at manchester uni and I saw this as my way out, I thought going to uni away from home would allow me to dress and live how I wanted to. However, I missed the grades for manchester and had to settle for a uni closer to home so now I'm going to be living at home for uni.

    So my dilemma is :should I just stick it out for 3 years and move away when I have a job or should I work hard at uni and transfer to a different uni for second year (but I fear being lonely cause everyone will know each other from first year)..whenever I stay over with my friends at their unis, I just love the freedom available to me and all I want is to live my life the way I want to live it rather than adhering to the rules of a religion which I do not identify with
    Look at it from your mothers eyes if you would rather move miles and miles away to be free from her and the restraints you see to your religion her feelings would be hurt if that were me I would be devastated my daughter wanted to move so far away to get away from me, but being honest and maybe hurting her feelings still at least it's honest it's scary but you can't deny who you are and who you want to be. I don't know all the inns and outs but your mum sounds like she wants for the best for you in her own way but if that doesn't match up with who you are come clean and tell her your not happy that's what I would do but it's down to you I hope you find the happiness your looking for and are able to be yourself. And most of all enjoy university
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    Moving on to a far away place seems to be a choice many make in order to avoid and to be who they want to be.
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    (Original post by Zeeiqbal)
    Have you even studied islam yourself properly?

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    Many Muslims leave Islam precisely because they have studied it properly. They find out that the cherry-picked, sanitised version that they were fed as children bears little resemblance to the actual content of the Quran and sunnah. I thought Islam was like an Arabian version of Christianity and gave it little thought until I read the Quran. Further reading just made it worse! Now I am strongly opposed to it.

    Be careful what you wish for...
 
 
 
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