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    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    And here's an idea for the liberal elite/left. If you want to win elections don't call the tens of millions of people whose votes you are trying to attract racist, sexist, homophobes.
    I don't want to run for office, I don't care what people vote for, I'd rather scrap the entire ****ing thing, however, as I said to the last person that quoted me, if you are going to behave in a racist, sexist, homophobic manner I will continue to call you out on it no matter who you are or how many freinds you have. I don't care if it hurts your ego, I'll call it how I see it, or do you only like straight talking when the person agrees with you?

    (Original post by DziNe)
    This is part of the problem. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being anti-immigration from the Middle East on the basis of being worried about terrorism. At the very most, it's xenophobic, but it's certainly not racist. This sort of narrative is exactly what the guy in the video is talking about. Disagree with someone on immigration? "RACIST!"
    Actually blocking immigration from the Middle East in a blanket manner would be, both according to the UN and UK law and act of racial discrimination. Unless of course you want to argue that engaging in racial discrimination doesn't make you racist, in which case you'd just be an idiot.

    Defintions are here, I really cant be arsed to type them up again.
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    (Original post by DziNe)
    This is part of the problem. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being anti-immigration from the Middle East on the basis of being worried about terrorism. At the very most, it's xenophobic, but it's certainly not racist. This sort of narrative is exactly what the guy in the video is talking about. Disagree with someone on immigration? "RACIST!"
    You clearly didn't read what I said. Being against immigration isn't racist at all. But being against immigration becaus you think ALL immigrants are terrorists, even though there is a minority of extremist Muslims that are and not even any black/hispanic/syrian that have committed terrorist attacked in the US is racist because it's a disgusting stereotype based on POC. If you're really worried about terrorism, why don't you target the white people living in the US shooting up schools?!?!
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    (Original post by JKS64)
    I noticed that people wanting to leave the EU kept their opinions quiet because most people I heard voting to remain were so vocal and ignorantly labelled brexiters as racists or xenophobics - the possibility that people wanted to leave for other reasons was just filtered out. As they couldn't formulate rational arguments, I just thought it best to keep my opinions to myself.

    The same might go for the US election as supporting Donald Trump was so often ignorantly attributed as being racist, islamophobic, sexist or homophobic by 'liberal' SJWs. I think this might be why the results for both were so unexpected.

    To be honest, despite Brexit not looking particularly great, I do think the result has been a brilliant wake-up call for the government. It shows that people have increasingly grown tired of how it works and that people are divided.

    It's blunt and doesn't sound particularly optimistic, but goals the government and more well-off families have (e.g. multiculturalism, religious equality, the environment & welfare of immigrants) just aren't important to some other people - this can't just be forced on people. Particularly in lower income and minimum wage families where simply managing to get on day by day is most likely prioritised. I think this difference in prioritisation is often twisted by the more well-off 'left' to mean racism, islamophobia, xenophobia etc. Again, this simply comes to show a deep level of ignorance and closed-mindedness found amongst much of the left and SJWs alike.
    its not racist to leave the eu.... eu consist of mainly 1 race with perhaps different ethnic minorities.

    but the US president is clearly racist.

    comparing uk and us politics is really not intelligent in the first place, can you imagine someone like trump being prime minister in the UK nope, even UKIP would oppose it..

    UK isn't racialised to the extend america is, even during this time of brexit the country isn't that divided, it is more the politicians who are peddling division and hatred.

    Remember Britain abolished slavery first and it took the americans long time to abolish it even segregation was a reality until a few years ago over there, we are from two different time dimensions it seems.
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    (Original post by mojojojo101)
    I don't want to run for office, I don't care what people vote for, I'd rather scrap the entire ****ing thing, however, as I said to the last person that quoted me, if you are going to behave in a racist, sexist, homophobic manner I will continue to call you out on it no matter who you are or how many freinds you have. I don't care if it hurts your ego, I'll call it how I see it, or do you only like straight talking when the person agrees with you?
    That's not politics. That's rabble-rousing.

    It's not clear what exactly you mean by "scrapping the whole thing". Do you have some kind of alternative to the current system?
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    (Original post by A Mysterious Lord)
    It's true though, politicians have tried to shame people who have the 'wrong' views into voting the other way.

    This is why the opinion/exit polls were so vastly wrong, people were reluctant to show their true allegiances in public but no such reluctance at the ballot box.
    Exactly. The left wing tendency to shout, smear and lie was always going to have a limited effect and the push back was always going to be enormously consequential. They've cried wolf too many times and now we don't have the platform to push back against genuine bigotry.
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    There's an element of that.
    I think the bigger reason is the lefts failure to offer a real and inspiring alternative to the policies of globalisation and neoliberalism that have screwed over the working classes.

    For the last few decades the left has been obsessed with power at the expense of principles.
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    (Original post by Damien96)
    When presented with counter-arguements, shouting 'racist' louder or building bigger placards does not end with the opinion going away. It will only hardens the stance and ferments further resentment.

    Trump and Corbyn are what happens when your all you have is a nauseating masochism that shuts down conversation. Trump is as much a product of the left as he is the right.

    http://thesatedire.com/news/world-ne...gger-placards/
    What do you think of Corbyn?
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    Part of the problem with this shutting down of debate is that you don't hear both arguments, so of course people will vote a particular way.

    If you have Trump supports and Brexiters putting forward statistics and arguments on why Brexit would be best for the country, or why Trump would be a good leader, and the other sides is response is simply "You're racist!", it's difficult to make an informed choice.
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    (Original post by mojojojo101)
    I don't want to run for office, I don't care what people vote for, I'd rather scrap the entire ****ing thing, however, as I said to the last person that quoted me, if you are going to behave in a racist, sexist, homophobic manner I will continue to call you out on it no matter who you are or how many freinds you have. I don't care if it hurts your ego, I'll call it how I see it, or do you only like straight talking when the person agrees with you?
    You, and your opinion mean nothing to me.

    I was simply explaining that accusing people of various isms and phobias because they vote in a particular way is both logically absurd and spectacularly counter productive.
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    That's not politics. That's rabble-rousing.

    It's not clear what exactly you mean by "scrapping the whole thing". Do you have some kind of alternative to the current system?
    I am an anarchist.

    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    You, and your opinion mean nothing to me.

    I was simply explaining that accusing people of various isms and phobias because they vote in a particular way is both logically absurd and spectacularly counter productive.
    How very nice for you.

    I was simply making it clear that when I see someone being racist, I will call them a racist. I do not and will not make exceptions to that because some right wing ********s are too cowardly or ignorant to accept what they really are, racist.
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    (Original post by Little Popcorns)
    They did it out of the ignorance of privilege, never having had to struggle to get where they are. These people don't have anything resting on their vote they're fine either way, whatever the result. If people don't speak for them then they won't be worse off... meanwhile, Trump now in office at least they can treat themselves to a good old giggle as they rest on their laurels.

    What are you arguing for then?
    Sorry , I forgot i must feel guilty about being white
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    (Original post by mojojojo101)
    I am an anarchist.
    ...and if the overwhelming majority of people don't want anarchism - what then?
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    What do you think of Corbyn?
    Coming from the perspective of someone who thinks Labour should have a left leaning liberal with socialist policies, I was pleased he presented choice. I now think he's deluded and dangerous. A western masochist intent on destroying the system and utterly unworthy of a platform in the national discussion let alone power.
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    (Original post by Damien96)
    Coming from the perspective of someone who thinks Labour should have a left leaning liberal with socialist policies, I was pleased he presented choice. I now think he's deluded and dangerous. A western masochist intent on destroying the system and utterly unworthy of a platform in the national discussion let alone power.
    Isn't saying someone unworthy of a platform exactly what the SJW do?

    Shouldn't we respect people who support him rather than insult them and tell them that they are wrong?
    After trumps victory we had many on the left accusing his voters of being racist and sexist

    Corbyn however recognised that many of his voters were rebelling against an economic system that does not work for them.

    He seems to be the only one not in denial.
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    The pendulum of politics will continue to swing away from neoliberal/Blairite perception management towards Faragism/Corbynism e.g. authenticity and directless > spin and woolliness

    Things will have to get worse before they get better. In the case of Trump, thank God he has people like Pence around him, I don't see things getting too grisly for migrants unless minority groups themselves create trouble

    In the case of European politics, the chances are we will see appalling developments on the continent, however, due to the intellectual immovability of the left, yes, and the very real possibility of: A) BME populations misbehaving; B) Indigenous communities taking direct action against them, in the absence of sufficiently responsible/robust leadership
    What's your opinion of sanders and Corbyn? Preferable to the establishment?
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    What's your opinion of sanders and Corbyn? Preferable to the establishment?
    Corbyn is very much a part of the establishment. He's like Chomsky, he acts radical, but in actual fact he's a stronger version of what the establishment is pushing.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Isn't saying someone unworthy of a platform exactly what the SJW do?

    Shouldn't we respect people who support him rather than insult them and tell them that they are wrong?
    After trumps victory we had many on the left accusing his voters of being racist and sexist

    Corbyn however recognised that many of his voters were rebelling against an economic system that does not work for them.

    He seems to be the only one not in denial.
    No, they de-platform entirely. I am just questioning his worth. I have no ability nor inclination to take the platform from him.

    That Corbyn seized an opportunity to put forward his credentials as an alternative to the mainstream off the back of a western rejection of the establishment is predictable and wholly transparent.

    We can, and should, criticise all leaders, especially Trump. Demonising oppossing points of view when not even bothering to engage with the people espousing them is the problem.
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    (Original post by panjeets 3incher)
    Corbyn is very much a part of the establishment. He's like Chomsky, he acts radical, but in actual fact he's a stronger version of what the establishment is pushing.
    Is he? He wants a complete break from the prevailing economic system in the same way that Trump did.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Is he? He wants a complete break from the prevailing economic system in the same way that Trump did.
    He's a radical progressive who wants a faster pace of change than what we are currently experiencing. The Cameronite Conservative party was a milder form of progressive politics, with them and the Corbynite Labour party flanking the progressive establishment, Trump on the other hand is not a conservative at all, he's a neo-Reactionary who wants to move in a totally different direction to Corbyn, Cameron, Blair and Miliband.
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    (Original post by Damien96)
    No, they de-platform entirely. I am just questioning his worth. I have no ability nor inclination to take the platform from him.

    That Corbyn seized an opportunity to put forward his credentials as an alternative to the mainstream off the back of a western rejection of the establishment is predictable and wholly transparent.

    We can, and should, criticise all leaders, especially Trump. Demonising oppossing points of view when not even bothering to engage with the people espousing them is the problem.
    A sizeable chunk of Trumps support came from the working classes who were fed up of an economic system that is screwing them over.

    While Hilary was offering 'continuity', Trump was offering to take a sledgehammer to the system. He recognised that anger and reached out to it.

    As for Corbyn, rather than labelling trump suppprters as racist and bigoted as others on the centre left have, he also recognises that anger.

    He knows people are fed up of neoloberalist globalisation and he knows that the lefts obsession with 'the centre ground' as opposed to standing up for the working classes has pushed them into the arms of the far right.

    Most of the left today only care about identity politics and social liberalism rather than economic leftism.
 
 
 
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