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I doubt you'd get close with the present security measures.
You'll never see me attempt it.
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If they do indeed deny that non-white people are not truly British, then their use of 'white British' to describe people is surely a little redundant, no?

Anyway, I'm not entirely sure that's a particularly outrageous belief of theirs. After all, it seems plenty of people these days equate 'English' with 'white English' and use the term accordingly. Why is that any different with British?
If the BNP use the term 'white British' then it's probably just more evidence of their intellectual limits - they can't even use their racist language in a consistent way.

As for equating 'English' with 'white' - it's not something I do, or the people I know do. And given that plenty of English sporting heroes, for example, are something other than 'white' there's plenty of evidence as to why such an association is flawed. I'd also advise that we show a little caution about what 'plenty of people' think.

This is the current BNP rhetoric - which clearly understands 'Britishness' to be a matter of 'native', i.e. 'white' status:

IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH!

On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question. We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.
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The BNP very much is a racist party, they do not regard any non-white person to be 'truly' British and their central aim is to 'encourage' all non-white people to leave Britain. They are, ultimately, neo-Nazis in suits.

Here's a novel idea - why don't read a little about the history of the BNP:

http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg02.htm
heres another novel idea why dont you go back and reread what i wrote
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heres another novel idea why dont you go back and reread what i wrote
I don't need to, the BNP are self-evidently a racist party in that they seek to encourage some people to leave Britain based on their skin-colour or ethnicity; it's an official policy of theirs. Asking someone to leave a restaurant simply because they are black is racist, likewise asking them to leave the country.
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I'm acting objectively here, but do the people above talking about those who haven't read the manifesto, posting on here fantastically etc. believe that those in question are just as prejudiced towards the BNP as they themselves believe the BNP are?
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...so if you have a decent source, I'd be interested to see it.
I will scan around after doing my work and see what i can find. That was off www.stopthebnp.com, so perhaps credible sources will be hard to come by. Regardless, their is an underlying agenda with the BNP no matter what the claim or say to the media.

They are racists, with the majority of their policies targeting ethnic minorities. No quims, that's just it.
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An seriously who thinks that supporting some of the BNP's policies is acceptable when they have these on their agenda.

According to the BNP 2001 general election manifesto, “native Britons”, who they claim can only be white, would be given priority in the job market. “Non-whites” would instantly become second class citizens in Britain.
Similar ethnic quota policies already exist in many countries such as South Africa, Malaysia and the USA. Positive discrimination is supported by Barack Obama, for example.
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Your Nooob!
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Im doing sociology and i know the BNP are WEAK!
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Thud used to be a smelly commie. :p: :o:
And then did a sharp turn to the right(apprantly), give it a couple of years and I will re-join the BNP to be by your side!!

I cannot quite belive some of the OTT anti-BNP comments on here, most of which is so fictional it embarrses me to even read it.
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I love how vehement some replies have gotten in response to this party ROFL.

The BNP is a valid party whether you agree or not. And if they were voted in, they were voted in by majority.....
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Wikipedia says this:
The BNP requires that all members must be members of the "Indigenous Caucasian" racial group.[19] The party does not regard non-white people as being British, even if they have been born in the UK and are naturalized British citizens. Instead, Griffin has stated that "non-Europeans who stay", while protected by British law, "will be regarded as permanent guests".[80]
So that would make my dad a guest??? My dad who served this country in the Navy for years? And what about me then, what am I because I'm half Black and half White? Oh yeah, I forgot: I'm DESTROYING my white family line.

and this about mixed race people:
The BNP is opposed to mixed-race relationships on the stated ground that racial differences must be preserved; it claims that when a white person produces a mixed-race child, "a white family line that stretches back into deep pre-history is destroyed." The party does however have a half-Turkish Cypriot half-English councillor in Lawrence Rustem.[81][82] In 2006, Sharif Abdel Gawad, a grandson of an Armenian refugee (also of partial Greek ancestry), was chosen as a council candidate in Bradford. The selection was reported to have caused some dissent within parts of the BNP,[83] however, it was defended by the BNP leadership who said "ordinary members can rest assured that Sharif Gawad is not a racial alien. Sharif, despite his name, is white and British and the British National Party is staying true to its core principles".[16] "Mr Gawad fulfilled the BNP criteria of being "a member of the white European race of people", they affirmed.[84]
Nick Griffiths said - and I quote:
We don't hate anyone, especially the mixed race children who are the most tragic victims of enforced multi-racism, but that does not mean that we accept miscegenation as moral or normal. We do not and we never will"
"Tragic victims"??? Seriously this guy needs help. The BNP encourages segregation, if anything Interacial relationships and mixed race children can only help this to be eradicated and he's saying its "Tragic"???
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If they do indeed deny that non-white people are not truly British, then their use of 'white British' to describe people is surely a little redundant, no?

Anyway, I'm not entirely sure that's a particularly outrageous belief of theirs. After all, it seems plenty of people these days equate 'English' with 'white English' and use the term accordingly. Why is that any different with British?
Er...nobody I know does that... You're English if you're born in England regardless of your skin colour, simple as.
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I love how vehement some replies have gotten in response to this party ROFL.

The BNP is a valid party whether you agree or not. And if they were voted in, they were voted in by majority.....
The BNP are, as I've said before, neo-Nazis in suits, and like the Nazis before them they would happily use the democratic system to eventually crush it, as Hitler's National Socialists did in 1930s Germany.

The BNP will never be 'legitimate' in my view because their policies and intentions are not legitimate. As far as I'm concerned a political party advocating racism is no more acceptable than a political party advocating child-abuse.
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The BNP will never be 'legitimate' in my view because their policies and intentions are not legitimate.
In other words, you don't like them?
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Er...nobody I know does that... You're English if you're born in England regardless of your skin colour, simple as.
Regardless, it is a well known phenomenon that people of ethnic minorities are considerably more comfortable considering themselves British than English, and that the white population are less comfortable labelling them as English.
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In other words, you don't like them?
Well, yes, but it's more than that though. I 'don't like' the conservative party and what it stands for, but I don't regard them as genuinely threatening to the central values or freedoms I consider important in our society - as I do the BNP. Mainsteam parties, like labour, tories and lib-dems are all, more-or-less, on the same page when it comes to understanding the pernicious nature of BNP ideology. I'm not suggesting that the BNP should be banned - I happen to think that it is pragmatically the best thing to allow them to 'contain' and keep public wannabe fascist and neo-Nazi orientations - but I still think that their central raison d'etre (essentially to promote and implement a programme of white nationalism) is 'evil' and to be regularly condemned by the rest of us with vigour.
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Regardless, it is a well known phenomenon that people of ethnic minorities are considerably more comfortable considering themselves British than English, and that the white population are less comfortable labelling them as English.
Speaking as a 'white' Englishman I happen to prefer to consider myself British; 'English' has in my mind become a term heavily associated with middle- or upper-class home-counties 'type' social and cultural being. For me, then, it's Geordie/British/European/Human and I understand all of these as socially and culturally constructed identities, with the possible exception of 'human'.
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Did we all hear about the BNP membership list leaked on the internet on Monday?!?!
it was on eblogger and google deleted the account as soon as it got out but not before:
The entire membership list of the British National party has been posted on the internet, identifying thousands of people as secret supporters of the far right and exposing many to the risk of dismissal from work, disciplinary action or vilification.
Around 13,500 names and home addresses were posted on a website on Monday evening.

As well as names and addresses, the list includes the home and mobile phone numbers and personal email addresses of BNP members. It is thought the list may include lapsed members of the party and the names and addresses of people who have expressed an interest in joining the party, but have not signed up. Many of the members' occupations are listed, revealing a small number of police, two solicitors, four ministers of religion, at least one doctor and a number of primary and secondary school teachers.
And there are more of them too because:
The party said the list was not up to date, featuring no members who had signed up since late 2007
I wish I'd seen it... just to check :shifty:

The whole story can be found at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/nov/19/bnp-list
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(Original post by Beige_Angel)
Did we all hear about the BNP membership list leaked on the internet on Monday?!?!
it was on eblogger and google deleted the account as soon as it got out but not before:



And there are more of them too because:


I wish I'd seen it... just to check :shifty:

The whole story can be found at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/nov/19/bnp-list
It's still around if you want to look at it: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/British_Na...t%2C_2007-2008
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