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    Hi everyone I have an offer in Leeds but hope a spot will open up in Manchester is anyone is interested in this just give me a shout
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    Likewise (and I'm sorry for spamming this on every page but I'm desperate), I have a spot in Edinburgh but hoping to swap with someone who has been offered Nottingham or Leeds. Even Manchester/Liverpool would do.
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    For anyone who is hoping to swap their locations, I've had the following email back from the Tax Academy. I was offered my 3rd choice of Edinburgh and emailed them asking what the scope for changing locations was:

    ******We appreciate Edinburgh wasn't your first preference location but we do allocate according to your preference list against your position on the merit list from the assessment centre results. We do ask at the assessment centre that you only rank locations where you are prepared to take up duty and this location was one of those and appreciate for you the situation has changed.
    Once the deadline of close of play 12 May passes there may be scope for changes in location
    Therefore you have 2 choices.
    1) Accept your offered location, but you must be prepared to take up duty there and make plans to do so.
    If before 31 July 2016 a location becomes available in one of your higher placed preferences then you could be offered this, but only if you rank higher than other candidates who want that location as well.
    2) Decline your offered location and go on standby for your preferred location.
    However there is no guarantee this will come up and places will be offered in ranked order so there is a risk of not being offered a place on the programme itself.
    Please let me know what you decide by close of play 12 May 2016*******

    Probably no new information for anyone there but thought I'd provide a bit of clarity for people in the same situation as me.
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    (Original post by Jamo91)
    For anyone who is hoping to swap their locations, I've had the following email back from the Tax Academy. I was offered my 3rd choice of Edinburgh and emailed them asking what the scope for changing locations was:

    ******We appreciate Edinburgh wasn't your first preference location but we do allocate according to your preference list against your position on the merit list from the assessment centre results. We do ask at the assessment centre that you only rank locations where you are prepared to take up duty and this location was one of those and appreciate for you the situation has changed.
    Once the deadline of close of play 12 May passes there may be scope for changes in location
    Therefore you have 2 choices.
    1) Accept your offered location, but you must be prepared to take up duty there and make plans to do so.
    If before 31 July 2016 a location becomes available in one of your higher placed preferences then you could be offered this, but only if you rank higher than other candidates who want that location as well.
    2) Decline your offered location and go on standby for your preferred location.
    However there is no guarantee this will come up and places will be offered in ranked order so there is a risk of not being offered a place on the programme itself.
    Please let me know what you decide by close of play 12 May 2016*******

    Probably no new information for anyone there but thought I'd provide a bit of clarity for people in the same situation as me.
    May I ask why you don't want to work in a location you put down? Just out of interest really.
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    (Original post by Killmark)
    LB (Large Business) in Euston Tower are all in Bush House now. Currently people in Euston Tower and Bush House are supposed to end up in Stratford Regional centre which is supposed to open before either closes.

    Training is usually done in Euston Tower.
    Thank you so much for telling me this.

    I just had one question, and would be grateful if I could be helped with it: how are the different HMRC business units/designations perceived? I mean, is LB (Large Business) generally perceived to be more fun/interesting/demanding etc than say mid-size business or individuals and small business, or less so.........

    I am just a bit curious, and really don't mind which one I am assigned to, and while I, of course, appreciate that this can be an individual preference, I was just wondering if there is some kind of general view of it.
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    (Original post by sophocles90)
    Thank you so much for telling me this.

    I just had one question, and would be grateful if I could be helped with it: how are the different HMRC business units/designations perceived? I mean, is LB (Large Business) generally perceived to be more fun/interesting/demanding etc than say mid-size business or individuals and small business, or less so.........

    I am just a bit curious, and really don't mind which one I am assigned to, and while I, of course, appreciate that this can be an individual preference, I was just wondering if there is some kind of general view of it.
    The thing is no matter what department you are put into, the first cases you start working will be SME cases.

    From my experience no department is viewed as better than the other. Each one focuses on different work and all have their pros and cons.
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    (Original post by sophocles90)
    Thank you so much for telling me this.

    I just had one question, and would be grateful if I could be helped with it: how are the different HMRC business units/designations perceived? I mean, is LB (Large Business) generally perceived to be more fun/interesting/demanding etc than say mid-size business or individuals and small business, or less so.........

    I am just a bit curious, and really don't mind which one I am assigned to, and while I, of course, appreciate that this can be an individual preference, I was just wondering if there is some kind of general view of it.
    As far as I'm aware, Large Business mainly involves the largest corporations in the UK, such as Boots, Debenhams, Tesco etc. The work in this area is more technical, since larger corporations use various methods to minimise their tax liability, therefore it takes more time and manpower to check their tax positions (you would usually work in teams rather than individually on a case) . Hence volume of cases are low, but you take a lot of time on each tax case.

    Whereas ISBC is less technical than large business, however the volume of cases are usually quite high, therefore you would find yourself learning so much from the different businesses you visit. One day you might inspect a newsagent, the next day you might pay a visit to a self employed film producer.

    The point I'm trying to make is that ISBC is probably more fun in my opinion because you learn how different businesses operate, which is good knowledge to have.

    However, it will depend which area of tax you're in. For example VAT officers tend to have more cases compared to income tax officer and corporation tax officers.

    However in general, I would say large business is definitely more technical.


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    (Original post by Mega0448)
    May I ask why you don't want to work in a location you put down? Just out of interest really.
    Firstly, circumstances at home have changed since I chose my locations. Secondly, I would have taken anything when I applied but I'm now settled in Nottingham. I also hadn't taken account of the cost of renting in Edinburgh or fully considered the logistics of moving nearly 300 miles away. I appreciate this is entirely my fault for stupidly putting Edinburgh down as my third choice but I'm going to do whatever I can to change it.

    Also frustrating is the fact I've only seen a couple of people say they've been given Nottingham or Leeds. They must have very few places available there. Either that or none of them use TSR.
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    (Original post by Jamo91)
    Firstly, circumstances at home have changed since I chose my locations. Secondly, I would have taken anything when I applied but I'm now settled in Nottingham. I also hadn't taken account of the cost of renting in Edinburgh or fully considered the logistics of moving nearly 300 miles away. I appreciate this is entirely my fault for stupidly putting Edinburgh down as my third choice but I'm going to do whatever I can to change it.

    Also frustrating is the fact I've only seen a couple of people say they've been given Nottingham or Leeds. They must have very few places available there. Either that or none of them use TSR.
    Fair enough. I did the same when I applied for my program, I got my third choice and Edinburgh was my fourth!
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    (Original post by Jamo91)
    For anyone who is hoping to swap their locations, I've had the following email back from the Tax Academy. I was offered my 3rd choice of Edinburgh and emailed them asking what the scope for changing locations was:

    ******We appreciate Edinburgh wasn't your first preference location but we do allocate according to your preference list against your position on the merit list from the assessment centre results. We do ask at the assessment centre that you only rank locations where you are prepared to take up duty and this location was one of those and appreciate for you the situation has changed.
    Once the deadline of close of play 12 May passes there may be scope for changes in location
    Therefore you have 2 choices.
    1) Accept your offered location, but you must be prepared to take up duty there and make plans to do so.
    If before 31 July 2016 a location becomes available in one of your higher placed preferences then you could be offered this, but only if you rank higher than other candidates who want that location as well.
    2) Decline your offered location and go on standby for your preferred location.
    However there is no guarantee this will come up and places will be offered in ranked order so there is a risk of not being offered a place on the programme itself.
    Please let me know what you decide by close of play 12 May 2016*******

    Probably no new information for anyone there but thought I'd provide a bit of clarity for people in the same situation as me.
    This makes it very clear that merit-order will be strictly adhered to then. So anyone in the above scenario has a simple decision to make, can they actually work at whatever location they have or not? If yes, then accept and you may still get your preferred location still. If not, then simply reject and you still have the same chance of getting a location you can actually work at. No one loses out here in what is a perfectly fair and logical system.
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    Yep. As much of a logistical nightmare moving to Edinburgh would be, it's still too good an offer to turn down so it makes sense for me to accept it whilst hoping that a place somewhere closer to home becomes available.
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    I got confirmation of my acceptance along with a response to my query regarding references btw. FYI:

    "References are generally requested if there has been a break in service of employment etc that’s not explained on your application form."

    So references seem to be unlikely to be requested for a lot of people, I reckon.
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    (Original post by Tigeruppercut358)
    As far as I'm aware, Large Business mainly involves the largest corporations in the UK, such as Boots, Debenhams, Tesco etc. The work in this area is more technical, since larger corporations use various methods to minimise their tax liability, therefore it takes more time and manpower to check their tax positions (you would usually work in teams rather than individually on a case) . Hence volume of cases are low, but you take a lot of time on each tax case.

    Whereas ISBC is less technical than large business, however the volume of cases are usually quite high, therefore you would find yourself learning so much from the different businesses you visit. One day you might inspect a newsagent, the next day you might pay a visit to a self employed film producer.

    The point I'm trying to make is that ISBC is probably more fun in my opinion because you learn how different businesses operate, which is good knowledge to have.

    However, it will depend which area of tax you're in. For example VAT officers tend to have more cases compared to income tax officer and corporation tax officers.

    However in general, I would say large business is definitely more technical.


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    Yeah it depends on your own preferences. I currently work in LB and you're right - Large business means we deal with the largest businesses incorporated in the UK. However, LB isn't necessarily more technical as there are many different roles within each directorate. I personally have worked in an admin based role within LB (with no technical work), as well as a Tax Specialist role in VAT which was very technical. Also, I know a lot of people in different directorates who would like to work in LB as it is really interesting, but again, that's down to personal preference.
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    (Original post by Lizzienicolax)
    Yeah it depends on your own preferences. I currently work in LB and you're right - Large business means we deal with the largest businesses incorporated in the UK. However, LB isn't necessarily more technical as there are many different roles within each directorate. I personally have worked in an admin based role within LB (with no technical work), as well as a Tax Specialist role in VAT which was very technical. Also, I know a lot of people in different directorates who would like to work in LB as it is really interesting, but again, that's down to personal preference.
    I agree with what you're saying, it does essentially come down to what your role is at the end of the day. I personally work as a VAT Officer, and VAT is definitely a technical area, no question about it.

    However one of my colleagues who recently moved into large business, says it's more technical than ISBC, However bearing in mind that he has stayed in VAT, so he is able to compare like with like (i.e. VAT Large Business VS VAT ISBC).

    However, as you have mentioned, it will definitely depend on the role you are doing.

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    (Original post by Tigeruppercut358)
    I agree with what you're saying, it does essentially come down to what your role is at the end of the day. I personally work as a VAT Officer, and VAT is definitely a technical area, no question about it.

    However one of my colleagues who recently moved into large business, says it's more technical than ISBC, However bearing in mind that he has stayed in VAT, so he is able to compare like with like (i.e. VAT Large Business VS VAT ISBC).

    However, as you have mentioned, it will definitely depend on the role you are doing.

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    Input output. VAT is easy.
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    (Original post by Mega0448)
    Input output. VAT is easy.
    I wish that was true lol

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    Anyone interested in exchanging a location? I've been offered my first choice of Newcastle - but due to a change in circumstances I'm now looking to find something in Liverpool or Manchester - let me know if you're interested. Thanks!
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    My friend just phoned the DBS people to chase up her DBS (not related to this) and was told they are taking on average 18 weeks to process at the minute. 😱😱
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    (Original post by LittleMagpie62)
    Anyone interested in exchanging a location? I've been offered my first choice of Newcastle - but due to a change in circumstances I'm now looking to find something in Liverpool or Manchester - let me know if you're interested. Thanks!
    It's done on merit order (discussed a page or two back) so you can't swap.
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    (Original post by Monkini)
    My friend just phoned the DBS people to chase up her DBS (not related to this) and was told they are taking on average 18 weeks to process at the minute. 😱😱
    18 weeks would take us up to the starting week so it can't take that long. They've told me that 31st July is the latest date that they can offer you an alternative location (if someone drops out for example) because that is the latest date that they can arrange for someone to be in post. They also have to know that most of us have to give a months (or more) notice so they also need to allow for that. They can't make formal offers 2 weeks before the start date and expect us all there on 8th September.


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