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    It sounds like your school are not really helping you enough which is the whole point of your placements. Is there anyone you can share your issues with?

    Although i haven't started my PGCE and i know that i cant possibly understand the stress involved until im there myself but, I hope that i can swallow one hellish year (less than a year actually) to be a teacher all my life. Its not long and look at the future it gives you!

    I hope you feel better about your course soon.


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    Something that may be a positive or negative depending on how you take it. The second placement is where it's supposed to up the anti. First placement was an introduction to teaching and second placement is suppose t prepare you for the real world of teaching (even though it's still not full timetable). My professional mentor told us something at the start of our second placement that I thought was a bit daft at the time, I thought this cause I didn't think that anyone could possibly still be on the course that didn't want to teach, however she said "if your not 100% sure this is what you want to do get out, it's not worth it. We were all told before our course how hard this would be, and if you really don't want to teach your just torturing yourself needlessly, i get that most people start with the best of intentions, but it's a terrible thing to do to both yourself and the kids if you don't want to be there.
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    (Original post by xxmijxx)
    Something that may be a positive or negative depending on how you take it. The second placement is where it's supposed to up the anti. First placement was an introduction to teaching and second placement is suppose t prepare you for the real world of teaching (even though it's still not full timetable). My professional mentor told us something at the start of our second placement that I thought was a bit daft at the time, I thought this cause I didn't think that anyone could possibly still be on the course that didn't want to teach, however she said "if your not 100% sure this is what you want to do get out, it's not worth it. We were all told before our course how hard this would be, and if you really don't want to teach your just torturing yourself needlessly, i get that most people start with the best of intentions, but it's a terrible thing to do to both yourself and the kids if you don't want to be there.
    Truth was spoken there. The second I lose the last bits I love about the job (ie. working in the classroom with kids) either through not loving it any more, or ofsted completely ruining it (looking likely, sorry), I will be off ASAP.


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    The problem for a lot of people, myself included, is they enjoy working with the kids, they love their subject, but they cannot just get on and teach how they want and then see what worked whatdidn't. They want to find out for themselves what works in a lesson and evaluate it accordingly - not be told by people that you shouldn't do this this this etc. let them find out for themselves, and learn!!!


    Education is my thing, always has been, I don't have a lot of interest in things like finance, and the passion I have for being able to 'teach how I want' shows I want it, but not with stupidness caused by other people and their opinions.

    It is for this reason that I am looking to defer my second placement until Sep/Next Feb, so I can be somewhere I can do this,like I did on my first placement. It also will hopefully get me somewhere closer to my house (1 hour travelling each way loses valuable planning time) and gives me a break to reassess what I want to do after the course, and to prepare resources etc so I am better prepared when I restart.

    Hopefully this will save my derailed ambition to be a teacher and I can go on to do a great job somewhere!
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    (Original post by John Mullen)
    It is for this reason that I am looking to defer my second placement until Sep/Next Feb, so I can be somewhere I can do this,like I did on my first placement. It also will hopefully get me somewhere closer to my house (1 hour travelling each way loses valuable planning time) and gives me a break to reassess what I want to do after the course, and to prepare resources etc so I am better prepared when I restart.

    Hopefully this will save my derailed ambition to be a teacher and I can go on to do a great job somewhere!
    That sounds like a really good idea. I'm glad you've figured something out.
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    (Original post by myrtille)
    That sounds like a really good idea. I'm glad you've figured something out.
    Well hopefully the provider will let me do it anyway. I have heard of others doing it on pgce courses so I don't see why I can't do that. It would be better for the uni as well as it would look better than another drop out
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    (Original post by John Mullen)
    Well hopefully the provider will let me do it anyway. I have heard of others doing it on pgce courses so I don't see why I can't do that. It would be better for the uni as well as it would look better than another drop out
    Yeah, before I started the PGCE I knew a student at the school I was working in who was at risk of failing her placement - her tutor had been in several times and discussed it and even though there were a lot of problems with her organisation and teaching, they offered her the chance to withdraw and defer to next year instead of officially failing. So hopefully it should be possible.
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    Found out my second and final placement this morning. Year 4 in a huge school with a high proportion of EAL kids. Really nervous but excited too. Going for my visit next Friday eeek!!!


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    For this module have to do some work on curriculum and how it's designed in my area. Trouble is, my tutor isn't clear on what kind of curriculum we should have and the teachers I work with aren't really sure what I mean.... Ggrrrrrrr
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    Do any of you work with year 2? I could do with some advice on suitable activities. I'm teaching TEFL.

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    (Original post by sunfowers01)
    Do any of you work with year 2? I could do with some advice on suitable activities. I'm teaching TEFL.

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    Hiya, I've worked with Year 2, not in EFL but I have done EFL teaching in a different capacity so may be able to help?
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    (Original post by John Mullen)
    See above post. What would you say is a correct expectation then? 1 hour? 2 hours? It certainly takes me at least two hours to sort out what I will do and write everything up. But becuase my planning is apparently not thorough enough, I am told I need to do more in depth planning, so in that case it will be pushing 3 or 4 hours.


    There are not enough hours in the day to do this so it has become impossible to finish this dreadful course.
    I did my PGCE last year and sometimes would spend up to 3 hours planning a lesson. As an NQT, I sometimes spend less than 20 minutes planning a lesson. I spend time planning a week/2 weeks of what the pupils need to learn, and the rest is just resources and activities. You WILL get faster at planning.
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    (Original post by Sarang_assa)
    Hiya, I've worked with Year 2, not in EFL but I have done EFL teaching in a different capacity so may be able to help?
    Thanks. I think my main problem is communicating with the kids when they start to misbehave or are noisy. I'm not that confident at telling them off in Spanish. There are also some kids who are really slow to finish tasks

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    (Original post by sunfowers01)
    Thanks. I think my main problem is communicating with the kids when they start to misbehave or are noisy. I'm not that confident at telling them off in Spanish. There are also some kids who are really slow to finish tasks

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    Have you tried using visuals to aid communication?

    Try this website http://www.mayer-johnson.co.uk/boardmaker-software/ you can have a 30 day free trial in which you can make all the stuff you need - save screenshots of your symbols for after the trial finishes so you can continue to use them

    They used this software when I was just in SEN, with children who have severe communication difficulties. If you make some of the basic symbols like "sit down" "stand up" "quiet" and things that you know they might need help with, it might help with your behaviour management.
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    (Original post by sunfowers01)
    Thanks. I think my main problem is communicating with the kids when they start to misbehave or are noisy. I'm not that confident at telling them off in Spanish. There are also some kids who are really slow to finish tasks

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    I've not used it myself yet but I found this a while ago and thought it was a good idea http://neave.com/bouncy-balls/ you can set it up so it detects noise, when the class are noisy the balls all bounce and then settles as it gets quieter, gives me them something to focus on whilst you're settling them down too.
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    Pleased to say that I have now left my Secondary Maths PGCE. Would have liked to have finished the year and at least got the qualification but it became impossible to continue. The main reason was the workload on placement 2. Working late into the night, every night, and working all weekend as well was not sustainable for me, and I think you really have to be in love with what you are doing to force yourself to do those hours - I wasn't!

    I hated the lack of freedom in the teaching. The 'starter, main, plenary' format did not agree with me, and the strong focus on objectives, grades, targets was dreadful. I don't want to be referring to objectives all the time in a lesson - It is so wooden and not my style at all! Was also frustrated at being banned from using certain resources that I wanted to use.

    The final thing that influenced my decision was poor behaviour from a lot of students. I struggled to manage it, and it made it so demoralising and took the focus away from the teaching. I realised that managing behaviour and the pastoral side of teaching are not things I want to be doing all the time.
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    (Original post by Sarang_assa)
    I've not used it myself yet but I found this a while ago and thought it was a good idea http://neave.com/bouncy-balls/ you can set it up so it detects noise, when the class are noisy the balls all bounce and then settles as it gets quieter, gives me them something to focus on whilst you're settling them down too.
    That's amazing, I'm currently playing with it xD hope I can work this into some of my lesson plans!
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    So I start a new placement tomorrow and I've got my knobhead mentor's comments stuck in my head from when I left the last placement. I've got the perfect smart outfit that will tick all the "personal appearance" boxes despite having been told the dress code for the school is casual, but I can't find the shoes I want to wear and it's doing my head in
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    (Original post by John Mullen)
    Pleased to say that I have now left my Secondary Maths PGCE. Would have liked to have finished the year and at least got the qualification but it became impossible to continue. The main reason was the workload on placement 2. Working late into the night, every night, and working all weekend as well was not sustainable for me, and I think you really have to be in love with what you are doing to force yourself to do those hours - I wasn't!

    I hated the lack of freedom in the teaching. The 'starter, main, plenary' format did not agree with me, and the strong focus on objectives, grades, targets was dreadful. I don't want to be referring to objectives all the time in a lesson - It is so wooden and not my style at all! Was also frustrated at being banned from using certain resources that I wanted to use.

    The final thing that influenced my decision was poor behaviour from a lot of students. I struggled to manage it, and it made it so demoralising and took the focus away from the teaching. I realised that managing behaviour and the pastoral side of teaching are not things I want to be doing all the time.
    I'm glad you figured out what you wanted to do, now just try and keep an eye out for what you really wanna get into and enjoy all the relaxing time!!!!
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    (Original post by John Mullen)
    Pleased to say that I have now left my Secondary Maths PGCE. Would have liked to have finished the year and at least got the qualification but it became impossible to continue. The main reason was the workload on placement 2. Working late into the night, every night, and working all weekend as well was not sustainable for me, and I think you really have to be in love with what you are doing to force yourself to do those hours - I wasn't!

    I hated the lack of freedom in the teaching. The 'starter, main, plenary' format did not agree with me, and the strong focus on objectives, grades, targets was dreadful. I don't want to be referring to objectives all the time in a lesson - It is so wooden and not my style at all! Was also frustrated at being banned from using certain resources that I wanted to use.

    The final thing that influenced my decision was poor behaviour from a lot of students. I struggled to manage it, and it made it so demoralising and took the focus away from the teaching. I realised that managing behaviour and the pastoral side of teaching are not things I want to be doing all the time.
    I'm glad you've done what you feel is best I hope things work out for you xx
 
 
 
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