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I'll find other sources if you want. But I'm not using pretendy made up news websites.
Can you find any mention of the £500,000 "Dirty Money" donation to Better Together on the BBC website?

If you can't, the BBC website must be a "pretendy made up news website".

Because more 'reliable' websites like The Herald and The Guardian had it well covered.
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It seems to be a well-known tactic of rattled pro-independence votes to ignore the issues and questions, repeat heartfelt wishes as facts, make personal attacks and generally irritate others. How do capital letters prevent people from lying?

I've always found the nat fraternity slightly unbalanced and emotional. Get them face to face and there's normally a bodily tremble and excitable nervous laughter.

why hasn't he answered my question about the drop in support?
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Can you find any mention of the £500,000 "Dirty Money" donation to Better Together on the BBC website?

If you can't, the BBC website must be a "pretendy made up news website".

Because more 'reliable' websites like The Herald and The Guardian had it well covered.
You mean here?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-22090395

or here?

Obviously the use of capitals doesn't prevent lying, does it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-22058475
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I propose that the thread be renamed, "MATHS TUTOR VERSUS THE WORLD!". This thread becomes more pointless by the day, when I first started reading it and made a few posts I thought there might be some interesting discussion, but really it's just one guy saying a lot of things that don't really make sense.
Could you care to prove your point by stating how many posts have been made on this thread by:

a) MatureStudent36

b) Midlander

c) Lib

d) Maths Tutor
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You mean here?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-22090395

or here?

Obviously the use of capitals doesn't prevent lying, does it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-22058475
Could you point to the words "Dirty Money" in the BBC reports, and the controversy surrounding the £500,000 donation to Better Together?

No? Well the BBC must be a "pretendy made up news website" then.

Because more 'reliable' websites like The Herald and The Guardian, not to mention numerous 'real' websites, had it well covered.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politi...ation.20640745

http://3meninablog.wordpress.com/201...tter-together/

http://therealmcgowan.blogspot.co.uk...rs-500000.html

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/h...her.1365958910
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Could you point to the words "Dirty Money" in the BBC reports, and the controversy surrounding the £500,000 donation to Better Together?

No? Well the BBC must be a "pretendy made up news website" then.

Because more 'reliable' websites like The Herald and The Guardian, not to mention numerous 'real' websites, had it well covered.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politi...ation.20640745

http://3meninablog.wordpress.com/201...tter-together/

http://therealmcgowan.blogspot.co.uk...rs-500000.html

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/h...her.1365958910
You were quoting newnetscotland when you made your last rant.
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How come such fundamental control has resulted in a TRILLION POUNDS PLUS national debt and a rising demand for food banks?

Haven't heard of the demand for food banks increasing in any Euro zone member state with no such fundamental control over its currency. In fact the pro capita national debt of every single member country of the Euro zone is LOWER THAN THAT OF THE UK. That includes Greece, Portugal, Spain and Ireland.
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I simply assumed that as he's so adamant about the strength of the Greek economy he'd have caught the first flight to Athens.
Anyone who can't notice the distortion there is either illiterate or a hypocrite.
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(Original post by Maths Tutor)
Could you care to prove your point by stating how many posts have been made on this thread by:

a) MatureStudent36

b) Midlander

c) Lib

d) Maths Tutor
Any posts we make tend to get overshadowed by ​BOLD UPPERCASE.
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You were quoting newnetscotland when you made your last rant.
ANOTHER BLATANT LIE.

I DID NOT quote newsnetscotland on the £500,000 "Dirty Money" donation to Better Together.

The 'Bitter Together' anti-Independence Axis is Bitter about the truth having come out, and so are you.

For the sake of completeness, can you now state that The Herald and The Guardian are 'unreliable' and 'biased' towards Independence?
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Any posts we make tend to get overshadowed by ​BOLD UPPERCASE.
How can they be if you STILL manage to LIE and DISTORT?
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Anyone who can't notice the distortion there is either illiterate or a hypocrite.
He proved you wrong on that
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I propose that the thread be renamed, "MATHS TUTOR VERSUS THE WORLD!".
Challenge to the "THE WORLD":

Who can put their name to SUPPORTING or REJECTING the following claim?

"Anglophobia is rife in Scotland"

(Original post by Midlander)
Sorry, I just can't agree with this-even unionist Scots I know still say outrageous things like all English people should be ashamed of murdering Scots in the 14th century. Anglophobia is rife in Scotland and the SNP is of course playing on those sentiments for its own agenda. They forget that England isn't the only other country in this union.
What would independence gain you that you don't already have from devolution?
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How can they be if you STILL manage to LIE and DISTORT?
You really are quite unbalanced aren't you?
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Challenge to the "THE WORLD":

Who can put their name to SUPPORTING or REJECTING the following claim?

"Anglophobia is rife in Scotland"

We've covered this already. It's on the rise.

http://www.cjscotland.co.uk/2012/12/...910-published/

http://m.scotsman.com/scotland-on-su...arts-1-2694368

but then again. That's the darker side of nationalism.
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Could you clarify what you are talking about here and what you are trying to prove, except as usual blaming the SNP for everything under the sun
I am saying that Scottish nationalism is a negative force in politics which should be brought to an end. You seemed to be engaged in some weird personal games with another contributer which added nothing to the debate.

Even MatureStudent36 doesn't have a clue about what you are going on about.

"Labour, understandably" - Yes, apart from calling a Scottish Labour MP "one of the thickest men in the House of Commons", you Tories and Scottish Labour are very comfortable with each other in the 'Bitter Together' anti-Independence Axis!
Let's recap here: we are talking about an underoccupancy charge in social housing that Labour and the Tories disagree on enormously. So clearly we're not in any sort of agreement on this issue.

Labour called for the SNP to reverse the effects of the underoccupancy charge, which they could. The Scottish Government firstly didn't seem to realise they had that power and now they refuse to use it because it costs them a relatively modest amount of money.

Labour's opposition to what they call the "bedroom tax" seems rather more genuine than the SNP's!
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I propose that the thread be renamed, "MATHS TUTOR VERSUS THE WORLD!". This thread becomes more pointless by the day, when I first started reading it and made a few posts I thought there might be some interesting discussion, but really it's just one guy saying a lot of things that don't really make sense.
If it is "MATHS TUTOR VERSUS THE WORLD!", why don't you concentrate on THE WORLD and ignore my comments?

The reason why not?

The aim of the likes of you is to HOUND OUT all pro-Independence commentators from threads like this one.

Pro-independence support among younger voters (typically those who would comment here) is much higher than the quoted 30% general support for independence.

If this was a fair and honest debate, you wouldn't have "MATHS TUTOR VERSUS THE WORLD!" - you would perhaps have 50-50 support for each side on this thread.

You may succeed in hounding out pro-independence posters, but you will not succeed in preventing them from voting YES, in fact you will make them more determined than ever to vote YES on 18th September 2014.

"MATHS TUTOR VERSUS THE WORLD!" also suggests that so called 'cybernats' are vastly outnumbered by anti-Independence liars and distorters. See my very recent posts above regarding the lies and distortions by MatureStudent36 and Midlander.
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Let's recap here: we are talking about an underoccupancy charge in social housing that Labour and the Tories disagree on enormously.
(Original post by L i b)
Labour's opposition to what they call the "bedroom tax" seems rather more genuine than the SNP's!
YET ANOTHER LIE AND DISTORTION.

Remind us how Labour voted in the House of Commons vote(s) on the "bedroom tax".

Scottish Labour MP Ian Davidson, Chairperson of the Scottish Affairs Committee at Westminster was very recently captured on camera LYING ABOUT HOW HE HAD VOTED:

http://wingsoverscotland.com/ian-davidson-is-a-liar/

Quote some 'reliable' and 'unbiased' sources like the BBC saying that Labour has categorically stated that it will reverse the "bedroom tax" if it wins the next UK election.

The SNP has stated that SNP councils will not force evictions. Quote some 'reliable' and 'unbiased' sources like the BBC saying that Glasgow and other Labour councils have categorically stated that they will not force evictions.

Why can't Scottish Labour Leader Johann 'Something for Nothing' Lamont tell Labour controlled councils not to force evictions?

The truth is, there is NO DIFFERENCE left between the 'Bitter Together' Tories and Labour, you being a Tory of course.
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Could you point to the words "Dirty Money" in the BBC reports, and the controversy surrounding the £500,000 donation to Better Together?
I wonder if you would be good enough to explain to me why UK citizens should not contribute to a campaign that aims to keep Scotland in the UK?
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We've covered this already. It's on the rise.

http://www.cjscotland.co.uk/2012/12/...910-published/

http://m.scotsman.com/scotland-on-su...arts-1-2694368

but then again. That's the darker side of nationalism.
"Anglophobia is rife in Scotland" Do you AGREE or DISAGREE?

I know that you have very poor comprehension skills, so let me clarify for you:

"Stuck" at 30% IS NOT THE SAME AS "averaged 30%"

(The 'average' of the last 300 years will not matter on 18th September 2014 and that "stuck" is going to become very 'unstuck' on 18th September 2014! THAT IS WHAT WORRIES YOU SO MUCH)


"Rife" IS NOT THE SAME AS "On the rise"

And Anglophobia IS NOT ON THE RISE:

http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index...ish-government:

"However analysis of the figures has revealed that attacks against ‘white English’ actually fell in the last year in all police force areas which were able to provide a breakdown of the statistics"
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"Anglophobia is rife in Scotland" Do you AGREE or DISAGREE?

I know that you have very poor comprehension skills, so let me clarify for you:

"Stuck" at 30% IS NOT THE SAME AS "averaged 30%"

(The 'average' of the last 300 years will not matter on 18th September 2014 and that "stuck" is going to become very 'unstuck' on 18th September 2014! THAT IS WHAT WORRIES YOU SO MUCH)


"Rife" IS NOT THE SAME AS "On the rise"

And Anglophobia IS NOT ON THE RISE:

http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index...ish-government:

"However analysis of the figures has revealed that attacks against ‘white English’ actually fell in the last year in all police force areas which were able to provide a breakdown of the statistics"
Yet the official data disproves that.

Do you actually feel that you're being persecuted by society? Is this why you have to become an Internet warrior quoting politically motivated websites.

there was a poll conducted several months back that actually showed youth polling for seperation actually lower than the national average if 30%.


http://www.economist.com/blogs/bligh...m-independence


I'm only here because I'm sick and tired of being bombarded on line with untruths, assumptions and personal attacks against anybody who doesn't believe in the SNP cause.

i still remember when Joan macalpine accused anybody of going against the SNP as being as anti scottish.


so your obviously not going to answer my question about the drop in support for seperation.

any comments about allowing US bases in Scotland?
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