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    Should we remove the Christian element from Christmas?

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    (Original post by JJay)
    Should we remove the Christian element from Christmas?

    What do you think?
    Well, i think the commersialization of christmas has all but done that already.
    But i do not believe in any religion, and still celebrate christmas, and so do many people.
    Its now more than a religious thing, its a whole representation of joyous spirit, and giving to others, which is a good message to be giving out, so even without the christian element, christmas is still a valuable celebration.
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    (Original post by JJay)
    Should we remove the Christian element from Christmas?

    What do you think?
    no its what christmas is about. im not particulary relgios tho but i dont see anything wrong with it.

    but yeh it seems to have happend already in this country.
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    (Original post by Moochy)
    no its what christmas is about. im not particulary relgios tho but i dont see anything wrong with it.

    but yeh it seems to have happend already in this country.
    Even so, the relgious aspect is what the whole thing is about. Commercialisation was bound to happen sooner or later, but that wouldn't have happened without the event (Jesus, remember him?!) happening in the first place.

    If that makes sense.
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    To be fair, christmas was originally a pagan festival...
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    (Original post by MadNatSci)
    To be fair, christmas was originally a pagan festival...
    Is that so...?
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    (Original post by MadNatSci)
    To be fair, christmas was originally a pagan festival...
    Well apparently everything was originally a pagan festival...
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    (Original post by creativesurgeon)
    Is that so...?

    Weeell, yes sort of. The date they picked was a pagan festival time - winter solstice I think. So they could wheedle people into being christian more easily, since it didn't change their lifestyle too much (People never change.) Oh, and christmas trees are pagan.

    Having said that, I'm not sure if the pagans gave presents so I suspect that's a christian thing. So definitely keep christianity in christmas
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    someone told me christmas trees were originally from norway.. and hangin holly up etc was from that area. they brought them into their houses in december.. cant remember why
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    (Original post by Moochy)
    someone told me christmas trees were originally from norway.. and hangin holly up etc was from that area. they brought them into their houses in december.. cant remember why

    Is it to do with spirits? Most things seem to be!
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    (Original post by MadNatSci)
    So definitely keep christianity in christmas
    I'll let ya off then
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    I thought it had already been done :rolleyes:

    Nothing christian about my advent calendar this year anyway.. ho hum.
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    my advent calender is a quentin blake one he he
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    (Original post by fionah)
    I thought it had already been done :rolleyes:

    Nothing christian about my advent calendar this year anyway.. ho hum.
    Bur without the Christianity, you wouldn't have an advent calender.

    THERE WOULD BE NO CHRISTMAS!

    Just New Year.

    God, it don't seem right, does it?
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    (Original post by creativesurgeon)
    Bur without the Christianity, you wouldn't have an advent calender.

    THERE WOULD BE NO CHRISTMAS!

    Just New Year.

    God, it don't seem right, does it?
    Bull

    If christianity had never stuck in britain we'd still celebrate the winter solstice on the 21st December - the festival of renewal as the days start to get longer again :rolleyes:

    That's like saying without christianity there would be no easter eggs - because easter eggs are in the bible...where?
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    (Original post by creativesurgeon)
    Bur without the Christianity, you wouldn't have an advent calender.

    THERE WOULD BE NO CHRISTMAS!

    Just New Year.

    God, it don't seem right, does it?
    wasnt jesus' tomb sposed to be egg shaped?
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    (Original post by Moochy)
    wasnt jesus' tomb sposed to be egg shaped?
    Yeah...and eggs and bunnies aren't ancient fertility symbols at all :|
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    (Original post by Pencil Queen)
    Bull

    If christianity had never stuck in britain we'd still celebrate the winter solstice on the 21st December - the festival of renewal as the days start to get longer again :rolleyes:

    That's like saying without christianity there would be no easter eggs - because easter eggs are in the bible...where?
    Fair enough, it's been adapted. But when it somes down to it, where did it originate from?
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    (Original post by Pencil Queen)
    Yeah...and eggs and bunnies aren't ancient fertility symbols at all :|
    dunno i wasnt there. and we can only have theroies on this
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    (Original post by creativesurgeon)
    Fair enough, it's been adapted. But when it somes down to it, where did it originate from?
    All research suggests that Jesus was actually born either at the end of January or during misummer.

    Christmas is and always has been a pagan festival which is why many strict christians refuse to celebrate it.

    Yule and the winter solstice have been celebrated in much the same way long before and long since christianity reached these shores...the only difference being the location of midnight mass into a christian church and the introduction of advent and 12th night...which the majority of people ignore anyway.
 
 
 
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