(Original post by Vienna)
The treatment of detainees in Gitmo is "characteristic" of that in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia.
i) Thats a comparison.
ii) The comparsion is complete rubbish. If it was characteristic, we would have thousands if not millions of dead detainees, detainees being experimented on, not to mention other gruesome practices.
I put a line in bold because to me that's the crux of this whole thing. You seem to think Durbin says it's characteristic of the U.S. But he's not saying that. I wasn't saying that. It's characteristic of Nazi Germany etc.; it's not characteristic of us; it's going on in these prisons; it ought to be stopped.
Such an inaccurate comparison does nothing but undermine US soldiers.
It's the practices that are undermining soldiers, not the fact that we have freedom of speech and freedom of the press in this country. Maybe the top brass (i.e., Rumsfeld) should figure out that they have responsibility for the protection of our troops from reckless stupidity, and end their policies of torture, "disappearing," and inhumane treatment. (These policies were obviously adopted by them in a frantic search for information, probably related to WMDs. They institute such practices, put our soldiers in harm's way, and then count on you to say it's all the Liberals' fault for talking about it.)
He says that their comments imply that they are willing to put US soldiers in danger. Assuming that Durbin is at least partly intelligent, what other basis would the Dems have for allowing such remarks to go without comment, after the passing of time had offered the opportunity for reflection on their consequences.
If Durbin had later rephrased his comments, or sought to explain any misunderstanding, or god forbid, retracted them, I would see them in a very different light. But the Democrats as a party are standing by these comments, to what end?
What is all this "reflection on their consequences" crap, anyway? The whole idea that Durbin's statements had or will have a material effect, upon any real soldier anywhere, is a remote conjecture. If there were some sort of massive Islamic uprising in response to Gitmo offenses, how could you blame Durbin? He's trying to END the offenses. Don't you see that the Republicans, and the Pentagon brass, by trying to hush the whole thing up & intimidate critics into silence, are doing far more harm? And if troops are in danger because of Gitmo, isn't it a good idea to do exactly what liberals are urging: end Gitmo or overhaul its policies?
No, what else could be motivating us except the desire to bring harm to the American soldier!