My fellow Earthlings: The jig is up

you take the latter quote out of context by not showing the whole sentence i merely said, in comparison to those who have to deal with loss of life as a result of terrorism, they can deal with the quran being kicked, it seems fairly trivial in comparison.

You genuinely don't think that kicking a Koran is likely to anger young Muslims, fire up anti-Americanism, etc?

we know how we are supposed to behave, it is a small proportion of american soldiers who commit these acts. I think being allowed to have their quransis right enough, how are prisoners taken by the enemy treated do you suppose? i know we cannt compare us to them but isolated cases of low level prisoner abuse being talked of so strongly does indicate to me at least that we are missing the bigger picture. Yes wel all have it in mind, i did not dispute that, i am merely saying, that whilst we are wasting time and money on sorting out these cases, the time and the money could be better spent elsewhere.

Anyone considering terrorism or the support of is unlikely to hold an indifferent view of America irrespective of what they say or do. Iraqi opinion of the US hardly altered before and after Abu Ghraib.

Glad to have you on board

Context or not, you said that they could deal with it; that it can be condoned.

but im under no illusions who the real enemy are in this conflict, what they are capable and what they think of human rights.

I think the point Douglas is making is that we, or rather the media, have so lost sight of the bigger picture in a desperate self-deprecating attempt to maintain the moral high ground.

can we not judge those muslims who killed thousands in America on 9/11?

I suggest you dont know the British anti-war movement very well.

Urinating on the Koran is uncivilised in my opinion. But i dont think I have a right to enforce my opinion on another (no one shoud), if its their property they can do with it as they wish as long as it does not harm another (harming is wrong, offending is not). In fact it is through conflict that our society progresses, when we are in conflict we discover our true natures according to Mill.

If a guard was making racial insults, than he should be socially ostracised, but not legally punished. I believe in freedom of speech fully.

Just because urinatiing on the Koran is offensive to all Muslims is not a justification. What does it matter if one person is offended or a billion? An action is either right or wrong, quantative factors play no part.

restraint against what??
and however "wonderful" the terrorists are, doesnt mean guards have the right to kick the Qur'an something offensive to all muslims.

restraint against what??
and however "wonderful" the terrorists are, doesnt mean guards have the right to kick the Qur'an something offensive to all muslims.

ROFL

Really they shouldnt piss on their religous books. Us Brits tend to find that creates more terrorists.

Do you think urinating on any book is acceptable? I don't know about you, but to me it is disrespectful regardless of what the book says. Add to the fact that this book happens to be holy according to some, and it isnt a case of "oh shall we just piss on this?" more of "lets piss on this and see how much media attention we can get it to divert the real issue". Unfortunately everyone is now talking about the pissing on the Koran rather than the treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghrab etc etc

Cant you judge more than one group?
i can.

Unfortunately, Iraq isn't the only possible breeding ground for terrorism. I'd be interested to see how opinion of the US altered before and after Abu Ghraib in the Occupied Territories (or whatever you want to call it), for example.