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Original post by Bezzler
I think it's pretty much up to the individual tutor. The interview is obviously the most important bit since that's their most direct experience of you and the best chance to learn what they want about you; how much they take into account other things is up to them.


They definitely do take into account HAT scores because I overheard the tutors discussing it behind a closed door when the girl being interviewed before me had left. I wasn't craning my neck trying to eavesdrop or anything, of course ... :colondollar:
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Original post by Olivia_Lightbulb
They definitely do take into account HAT scores because I overheard the tutors discussing it behind a closed door when the girl being interviewed before me had left. I wasn't craning my neck trying to eavesdrop or anything, of course ... :colondollar:


Just because some do doesn't mean they all weight them the same though. It's not as though you heard every single tutor. Some tutors like the PS, others mock it, some respect the HAT, some only use it as a pre-interview measure, etc.
at the open day the admissions tutor said that all colleges use this algerithm:
(Grades, Personal Statement, Reference) 10%
(Submitted Work) 20%
(HAT) 30%
(Interview) 40%
Bit scary!
Original post by walkingonsunshine
at the open day the admissions tutor said that all colleges use this algerithm:
(Grades, Personal Statement, Reference) 10%
(Submitted Work) 20%
(HAT) 30%
(Interview) 40%
Bit scary!


Seriously? That's pretty interesting, now I'm even more desperate to know how my HAT went :biggrin:
Original post by walkingonsunshine
at the open day the admissions tutor said that all colleges use this algerithm:
(Grades, Personal Statement, Reference) 10%
(Submitted Work) 20%
(HAT) 30%
(Interview) 40%
Bit scary!


woah..
agh i think i completely screwed my HAT tho!
my interviews weren't that great either,
that's so bad that grades, ps, and reference is only 10%..
Original post by walkingonsunshine
at the open day the admissions tutor said that all colleges use this algerithm:
(Grades, Personal Statement, Reference) 10%
(Submitted Work) 20%
(HAT) 30%
(Interview) 40%
Bit scary!


Alas alack...
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Original post by rainbow10831
woah..
agh i think i completely screwed my HAT tho!
my interviews weren't that great either,
that's so bad that grades, ps, and reference is only 10%..


If this formula is true (and I'm not sure how reliable it is...) I'm honestly surprised, and disappointed. I wish they swapped the % for the HAT and reference/PS around.
It seems a bit unlikely that they would take 3 times as much notice of one exam as they would of all the exams you have done throughout school
Original post by UnheardSounds
It seems a bit unlikely that they would take 3 times as much notice of one exam as they would of all the exams you have done throughout school


I don't really think so actually, although 30% does sound a bit much. HAT measures very different skills than A-levels do, and that much knowledge isn't actually required to actually do well (the essay question being a possible exception), other than that it is really up to your historical skills. Of course everyone has bad days and so on but it seems unlikely to me that your performance in something like that would greatly fluctuate.

Also, Oxford has been using HAT for a decade or so, and if this has shown that performance in HAT correlates with offers and maybe even performance during the course there is really no reason why it shouldn't be used.
Original post by cynthialf
I don't really think so actually, although 30% does sound a bit much. HAT measures very different skills than A-levels do, and that much knowledge isn't actually required to actually do well (the essay question being a possible exception), other than that it is really up to your historical skills. Of course everyone has bad days and so on but it seems unlikely to me that your performance in something like that would greatly fluctuate.

Also, Oxford has been using HAT for a decade or so, and if this has shown that performance in HAT correlates with offers and maybe even performance during the course there is really no reason why it shouldn't be used.


I think the HAT is an important part of the process but Oxford have said that it is GCSEs that are the best prediction of degree performance
Original post by UnheardSounds
I think the HAT is an important part of the process but Oxford have said that it is GCSEs that are the best prediction of degree performance


That seems very strange, oh well, didn't do GCSEs so that won't matter for me :P
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Original post by UnheardSounds
I think the HAT is an important part of the process but Oxford have said that it is GCSEs that are the best prediction of degree performance


Oh dear...
Original post by Stenner
If this formula is true (and I'm not sure how reliable it is...) I'm honestly surprised, and disappointed. I wish they swapped the % for the HAT and reference/PS around.


we were told this at the admissions talk - i wrote it down because i was so shocked! i know reference/grades etc doesn't seem like very much, but the majority of people who apply will have excellent grades reference and ps, so if it was more important it would be impossible to differentiate everyone.
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Original post by walkingonsunshine
we were told this at the admissions talk - i wrote it down because i was so shocked! i know reference/grades etc doesn't seem like very much, but the majority of people who apply will have excellent grades reference and ps, so if it was more important it would be impossible to differentiate everyone.


That makes sense... well, that's a shame because I'm confident I had a great reference and PS (maybe not grades) but I'm not so confident about my HAT score.
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Original post by walkingonsunshine
we were told this at the admissions talk - i wrote it down because i was so shocked! i know reference/grades etc doesn't seem like very much, but the majority of people who apply will have excellent grades reference and ps, so if it was more important it would be impossible to differentiate everyone.


I'm not at all surprised that the reference and personal statement are of little import in the Oxford admissions process (N.B. this is by no means the case with other universities) but I would be surprised if the HAT was judged that close in importance to interview performance. I have consistently been told by several different admissions tutors that the HAT is used mainly as a deselector for interview :dontknow:. If that formula is applied to the admissions process as a whole then that might make more sense, because I'm sure the HAT counts for a great deal more than 30% of weighting in the first stage (i.e. selecting who to invite for interview).

Anyhow, it's definitely not worth anyone's while to stress over it. Even if such a formula did exist, it would probably only be a rough guideline in an attempt to balance out decision-making across the different colleges. Tutors are perfectly capable of working out for themselves if someone has - in all likelihood - slipped up uncharacteristically in any one part of the admissions process. My feedback when I applied (oh so many years ago now) made it fairly clear that my HAT was awful and I got in solely on the basis of my interviews and my submitted essay.
I got an offer :biggrin:, but not at my first choice (Wadham). It doesn't say which college I got an offer from yet, but I only had a second interview at St. John's. Is it possible to get offers from colleges you haven't had interviews from?
Original post by marieparis22
I got an offer :biggrin:, but not at my first choice (Wadham). It doesn't say which college I got an offer from yet, but I only had a second interview at St. John's. Is it possible to get offers from colleges you haven't had interviews from?


It is possible but I think it's quite rare. It's fairly likely to be St. John's :smile: Congratulations!
Original post by cynthialf
It is possible but I think it's quite rare. It's fairly likely to be St. John's :smile: Congratulations!


Ahh, I just got someone on another thread telling me it's not St. John's because they didn't specify. Ah, well. Really, ANY college will do! Thank you! Good luck if you haven't heard!
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Original post by marieparis22
I got an offer :biggrin:, but not at my first choice (Wadham). It doesn't say which college I got an offer from yet, but I only had a second interview at St. John's. Is it possible to get offers from colleges you haven't had interviews from?


Hi, congrats! :smile: Although it is likely to be St. John's (and it's not correct to say that it would have been specified if it was), there are any number of other possibilities. Check out 'I Got Poo's' recent experience on TSR: interviewed at Corpus Christ twice and New once, then got similar letter to you, then got letter from St. Hugh's (which hadn't interviewed her at all) with an open offer (so actual collegenot known till Summer, but St. Hugh's underwrite the offer in case no other one available).

Great news anyway :smile:
Got an offer from University College! :smile:

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