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Hi. I'm applying for English (sorry if it's on the History page) but has anyone submitted their essays which have received a full mark? + I'm on my gap year so do I send the essays I did in my A2 or do you suggest I write one now?
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I am not good at source analysis or being concise
Which is, according to a post on here, what they want for success!!

I do, however, have a good set of GCSEs, AS levels and predicted grades
Do i have a chance of getting an interview without getting a good mark in the HAT?

:frown: Thanks
Original post by famguyfan
I am not good at source analysis or being concise
Which is, according to a post on here, what they want for success!!

I do, however, have a good set of GCSEs, AS levels and predicted grades
Do i have a chance of getting an interview without getting a good mark in the HAT?

:frown: Thanks


Well I know somebody here who got in with a rather poor HAT score of 62. So it's possible...
Original post by famguyfan
I am not good at source analysis or being concise
Which is, according to a post on here, what they want for success!!

I do, however, have a good set of GCSEs, AS levels and predicted grades
Do i have a chance of getting an interview without getting a good mark in the HAT?

:frown: Thanks


Original post by The Anti-Hero
Well I know somebody here who got in with a rather poor HAT score of 62. So it's possible...


I got 55 and here I am, so yes, it is possible. I think 60 is about the average though, and if you get less than 50 it's very, very unlikely you'll get an interview. Source analysis is kinda the basis of everything we do here, so if you really want to make it you're going to have to show some aptitiude.
Original post by Incarnadine91
I got 55 and here I am, so yes, it is possible. I think 60 is about the average though, and if you get less than 50 it's very, very unlikely you'll get an interview. Source analysis is kinda the basis of everything we do here, so if you really want to make it you're going to have to show some aptitiude.


60 is average?

Honestly?

EDIT: Sorry, that makes me sound like a total dick. I meant it in the sense that I simply assumed that the average was higher than that, rather than any sort of judgemental comment.
Original post by The Anti-Hero
60 is average?

Honestly?

EDIT: Sorry, that makes me sound like a total dick. I meant it in the sense that I simply assumed that the average was higher than that, rather than any sort of judgemental comment.


Yup, as far as I've heard. Given as that's the average score for first-year michaelmas collections, it makes sense. Going from the mentality of below 80% = bad to 70% = extremely good is something that quickly needs to be learned :wink: And I didn't take it that way, don't worry! I got in haha, I'm not going to be worried about how I got there :rolleyes:

I haven't really talked to you recently. How's your first couple of weeks been?
Original post by Incarnadine91
Yup, as far as I've heard. Given as that's the average score for first-year michaelmas collections, it makes sense. Going from the mentality of below 80% = bad to 70% = extremely good is something that quickly needs to be learned :wink: And I didn't take it that way, don't worry! I got in haha, I'm not going to be worried about how I got there :rolleyes:

I haven't really talked to you recently. How's your first couple of weeks been?


Wow, that makes my HAT score extremely good in context! Maybe I should stop worrying so much...

Everything's been absolutely great, actually. I'm having a wonderful time and I feel as though I've thrown myself into the Oxford lifestyle as best as I possibly could.

the workload was a shock to the system, especially having a reading list given to me on my third day here, but I'm hitting my stride a bit now! In fact, I've just this minute finished off my third essay that's due in tomorrow morning, so I have the afternoon and evening to myself :smile:

How are you?
Original post by The Anti-Hero
Wow, that makes my HAT score extremely good in context! Maybe I should stop worrying so much...

Everything's been absolutely great, actually. I'm having a wonderful time and I feel as though I've thrown myself into the Oxford lifestyle as best as I possibly could.

the workload was a shock to the system, especially having a reading list given to me on my third day here, but I'm hitting my stride a bit now! In fact, I've just this minute finished off my third essay that's due in tomorrow morning, so I have the afternoon and evening to myself :smile:

How are you?


Yes, you should, you muppet :wink: I'm not so worried about my bad score, because it means they must have loved me in interviews and hey, I've proved myself since. It's dead and gone now.

That's the spirit :smile: Take advantage of everything, that's what I've tried to do and while it means I have hardly any time for anything right now :colondollar: it's definitely worth it! As is getting your work done early, the joys of having a whole day off because you've finished your essays 24 hours before the deadline is unparalleled. Sounds like you've got the right idea already :wink: I remember having absolutely no clue what to do when I got here, and panicking a bit when I realised how much there was to do, but you quickly get used to it and even start to relish it... in a slightly masochistic way :tongue:

I'm fine, well rushed off my feet as always (four essays in the last fortnight and tons of archery training will do that to you) but coping. Currently getting on with an essay on the Americanization of popular culture in the 20th century, which is an excuse to break out the ragtime, jazz and rock 'n' roll, so it's not all bad :wink: Just to get in the mood, y'know...
Hiya :smile:
I'm applying to read History at Somerville college and I have little idea how to best approach the HAT (my teacher is not being helpful) questions which require own knowledge so I was wondering if there was anyone who would be willing to give back constructive criticism for my essays? I'm sure other people must be in the same predicament.
I'm doing the HAT but I ain't really gonna do much in the way of preparation. Read a textbook maybe.
I seem to keep pointing this page out in different threads; maybe it's not as obvious as it might be! Or maybe people don't look...

http://www.history.ox.ac.uk/prosundergrad/applying/hat_introduction.htm

The specimen paper and corresponding specimen answers with tutors' comments are quite illuminating.

:sheep:
Thanks. Does anyone know what the average score has been/is likely to be by any chance?
Also an applicant, but judging by most of the info on here and the Oxford site, I think 55 is considered the rough discriminator, 60+ is considered a fairly good score and below 50 is very unlikely to get you an interview.
I'm also applying for History and frantically preparing for the HAT and I'd actually reccomend that you spend more time on questions a) and b) of part one. Having done a lot of practice I think that they'd be the easiest to get completely wrong if you really misunderstood the source. Don't ignore them just because they are the shortest, you need to really really read the source carefully to answer them well.

With the essays, they may seem more difficult at first but remember there is no set mark scheme and no particular answer that they are looking for, there is more emphasis on writing something interesting and thought provoking that they haven't seen before than just writing them an A level type essay. They know that you can write those, they want to know what else you can do.

Also don't forget the second question, really interrogate the primary source, rip it to shreds if you have to, that's what historians do. I think that this part is the easiest to do well on, just squeeze every drop of information out of it, even if you think an idea doesn't make much sense, if you think that's what the source is saying put it down. They want to original thinking.

Hope this helps and good luck everyone!
Original post by Quercus1
This is an essay question I've done in preparation for the H.A.T. It was Qu. 1 (c) from the 2010 paper. Could one very kind person who knows what is expected in the H.A.T review quickly. It's not very good, but... here it is:

Write an essay of one and a half to three sides assessing the interaction between
government and the views of the governed that lay behind any major political event,
act or movement. You may answer with reference to any society (40 marks)

The Vietnam War is a strong example to cite when pursuing this assessment. Clearly in this event it is evident that the interplay between the electorate and the incumbent administration was crucial to the eventual termination of the war in Vietnam.
Firstly, Nixon won the two successive terms for the presidency on the idea of eventual peace in Vietnam. Clearly, the man was responding to the pressures of the public who, witnessing the rising death tolls and horrors of war for the first time in their living rooms and homes, were anxious to seek at end to war. This suggests that the active partner in this relationship was the view of the governed. Nixon was an instrument in the process of political change, reacting to the whims of the people. The best evidence to represent this idea is that he renewed diplomatic relations with China, in order to pacify Russia and reduce the risk of further escalation of the war in Vietnam. This contrasts with the aggressive pursuit of containment by previous presidents such as Lyndon B. Johnson, and John F. Kennedy, who indulged public hostility to communism following the Korean War and the McCarthy witch-hunt. However, this only serves to empower the idea that the dominant strain in the relationship that lay behind the termination of the Vietnam war, was the view of the governed. The bigger picture of the war highlights that the importance of the views of the governed was not simply confined to the termination of the war in isolation, but was also crucial to its escalation and continuation throughout the 1960s. This lends great weight to the argument.
However, whilst there is evidence to suggest that the interaction between the government and the views of the governed favour the latter as the driving force in the relationship which lies behind political change, this idea must not be studied in isolation. There is compelling proof to suggest that the Government often manipulates public opinion and moulds it to its own advantage, or ignores it completely. For instance, Nixon insisted that to end the war in Vietnam, there needed to be ‘peace with honour’. Yes, this was responding to public outcry for an end to the war in a sense; but inherent in Nixon’s message is a personal belief that the United States had to leave the war with its dignity intact. Nixon had therefore put his own personal slant on the pressures imposed upon him by the views of the governed, and manipulated it to serve his own interest. From this it is possible to see that whilst the views of the governed were certainly important in driving the government to political change, it was not a one way relationship. The government can also present a case to the public, creating a much more fluid interaction than previously suggested. This is possible to see in the fact that the last great popular demonstration against the war in Vietnam was in 1968, when nearly a million congregated in Washington D.C. This suggests that during Nixon’s years a more fluid exchange existed between the views of the governed and the government since discussion did not stagnate to the extent that the masses believed a mass demonstration was necessary. Therefore the interaction between the two parties in termination of the war was as much driven arguably, by the views of the governed as the government, or so the evidence suggests. Indeed perhaps the best evidence to suggest that the government also had a strong part in the two-way relationship with the views of the governed was that prior to terminating the war in Vietnam, Nixon executed the most intensive bombing campaigns hitherto experienced in the war a complete antithesis to the views of the governed. This shows that whilst the views of the governed were certainly important in terminating the war, there existed a dynamic relationship, in which their ideas, and indeed the ideas or the governed could be moulded, adapted rejected by both parties according to their interests and motivations.
Therefore in conclusion, the interaction of the government and the views of the governed existed in an active, mutually responsive state, in which both parties acted and reacted according to their owns decisions and the decisions of the other party. This idea could be extended to suggest that indeed it was a dialectic that was the motor for political change in the early 1970s, producing a synthesis which was the close of the war in Vietnam.




looks good...i was writing something on Vietnam too because I studied it last year but I gor really stuck...
Hey people :smile: Due to HAT related stress/procrastination, I still haven't done my piece of work to send in (always last minute lol) I was just wondering, as we haven't started cw, would a good, interesting quality hwk essay do and is a knowledge and source essay ok?
Original post by molthemoo
Hey people :smile: Due to HAT related stress/procrastination, I still haven't done my piece of work to send in (always last minute lol) I was just wondering, as we haven't started cw, would a good, interesting quality hwk essay do and is a knowledge and source essay ok?


Yes I think that would be fine :smile:
I haven't sent mine in either :rolleyes:
Original post by molthemoo
Hey people :smile: Due to HAT related stress/procrastination, I still haven't done my piece of work to send in (always last minute lol) I was just wondering, as we haven't started cw, would a good, interesting quality hwk essay do and is a knowledge and source essay ok?


Not only is a normal homework essay okay, it's actually necessary. They stipulate that submitted work must be "standard", not coursework/personal study/extended essay.
Come on little friends, share some more practice answers for me to copy.
Hi everyone!
I was looking around and people have been talking about the HAT in all different places, so I thought it would be a good idea to create a thread especially for it!

How much preparation has everyone been doing?
And is everyone just as terrified as I am?

xxx

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