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Maybe the best students can't afford to go over to the US or UK, and thought that melbourne happened to be a very good university. I don't think any academic excellence award winner from my school went overseas.
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I thought there were scholarships, the kiwi I spoke of got one anyway. I wasn't really attacking your universities and I did say I thought Melbourne was pretty good (I'm confused why repeating that in Melbourne would be so dangerous) just that the universities aren't as good as ours and I think this is because we just have larger populations and economies. I wouldn't want to offend any Aussies with the cricket the way it is, it could strain our relationship to breaking point
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I certainly don't think it is a good idea to send or encourage all your best students from Australia to study in the UK and US. Australia or any country wanting to maintain its competitive edge for that matter should ensure that their own universities are comparable to the best British and American universities and I think for Australian universities, ANU seems to be in a good position to challenge the status quo. There is, for one, the danger of losing your own talent (who should ideally be contributing to Australia's economy) to the UK and the US if you were to keep sending your best students overseas, i.e. resulting in a severe brain drain like what is happening in New Zealand. Your own universities will also never match the level of the others if all the best students leave to contribute their research work at foreign universities.

It is also not exactly fair to compare universities with the immense benefit of centuries of history and development like Oxbridge particularly in a former colonial power (which devised strategies to siphon off the vast wealth, and robbed the cultural artefacts - some of which still sit in their museums - of its colonies and lands invaded to 'motherland Britain' for centuries) and universities with, say, only a hundred or so years behind them elsewhere. As I see it, it is only natural and highly predictable for universities with a longer heritage to be more reputable and ranked higher up than other universities which are relatively new. So in that sense, if you want a fair comparison, you should consider the years in which the universities were established (e.g. 1946 for Australian National University and 1209 for Cambridge University).
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Well, I don't know of many Aussie Universities but my cousin lives in Melborne and she goes to University of Melbourne and according to her, Uni of Melbourne and Uni of Sydney are top Australian Unis.
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The attack on Britain was not necessary and you are quite wrong; I think you will find LSE and Imperial College London are far younger than Melbourne, for example, but also a lot better, Stanford University is awesome and not exactly ancient. Also, I was not attacking the position of Australian universities in the global heirarchy, merely stating that they are not the best, which appears to be true, I wasn't asking for a justification of any sort.

(which devised strategies to siphon off the vast wealth, and robbed the cultural artefacts - some of which still sit in their museums - of its colonies and lands invaded to 'motherland Britain' for centuries)
I don't mean to start a ****ging match over this, but you have done as good as anyway. Do you mean to say that it would be worth Britain's while to have a huge empire and not exploit it for riches? That is the whole point of an empire and strategies were not devised to siphon off the wealth as such, the empire itself was devised to create wealth for the motherland, that's the way it worked. But the whole of Europe did it, lets not hold it against Britain forever, OK? Australia has been independent for a long time and wounds should heal in such expanses of time.

Before anyone calls me a jingo, I really am not, I think Aussies are cool and usually they beat us all ends up in sport et cetera, they're very individual and I'd never undermine that. I just meant to say that the universities weren't so good, which is what I believe.
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(Original post by riccardo)
The attack on Britain was not necessary and you are quite wrong; I think you will find LSE and Imperial College London are far younger than Melbourne, for example, but also a lot better, Stanford University is awesome and not exactly ancient. Also, I was not attacking the position of Australian universities in the global heirarchy, merely stating that they are not the best, which appears to be true, I wasn't asking for a justification of any sort.



I don't mean to start a ****ging match over this, but you have done as good as anyway. Do you mean to say that it would be worth Britain's while to have a huge empire and not exploit it for riches? That is the whole point of an empire and strategies were not devised to siphon off the wealth as such, the empire itself was devised to create wealth for the motherland, that's the way it worked. But the whole of Europe did it, lets not hold it against Britain forever, OK? Australia has been independent for a long time and wounds should heal in such expanses of time.

Before anyone calls me a jingo, I really am not, I think Aussies are cool and usually they beat us all ends up in sport et cetera, they're very individual and I'd never undermine that. I just meant to say that the universities weren't so good, which is what I believe.
I find that you must be really that sensitive to accuse me of attacking Britain. Well, I can't help it if you can't face up to historical facts. I am also not starting a ****ging match. Too bad you have to view it that way. It IS necessary to mention it because OBVIOUSLY a nation's growth is, more or less, dependent on its resources. As you yourself imply it, colonial power is able exploit its colonies for riches. As for the strategies, you simply have to know it. Check out the books on the Britain's empire. These online books are useful. There are some specific historical accounts by the colonial masters themselves on the salt issue in India, Adam Smith's free trade strategy to serve Britain's good, etc.

You are also really far too sensitive by suggesting that I am holding it against Britain. This has nothing to do with whether I am against this or that country, but the recognition that historical events play a part in the development of universities.
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(Original post by riccardo)
The attack on Britain was not necessary and you are quite wrong; I think you will find LSE and Imperial College London are far younger than Melbourne, for example, but also a lot better, Stanford University is awesome and not exactly ancient. Also, I was not attacking the position of Australian universities in the global heirarchy, merely stating that they are not the best, which appears to be true, I wasn't asking for a justification of any sort.
It is interesting that people would say "Oh, you can't compare LSE and ICL with Oxbridge because LSE and ICL are specialist institutions while Oxbridge are not". Isn't this the same controversial comparison which you are raising? When I say that the university's heritage has to be taken account, I am only mentioning ONE factor, out all possible factors. So, just taking one or two examples and purely looking at their established years and pointing that they contradict what I just mentioned is useless because you are not looking at the whole picture at all. You get what I mean.

Also, whether you were attacking the position of Australian universities in the global hierarchy or not and blah blah blah is of no concern to me and I am not interested to know either. I was raising my thoughts on this matter and they weren't directed to you so unless you want to continue amusing me with your pointless defence of yourself, you are free to pretend I was even remotely arguing with you. Just to let you know, I wasn't.

It's crazy. You mention something related to their posts and some people think you are attacking them. Heh.
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Woah.

Firstly, I'd like to point out that the league tables are dodgy. As in, super dodgy, because ANU's always at the top of the tables but I know hardly anybody (okay, 1 person) who actually wants to go there. I think the general concensus is that Melbourne's the best university in Australia, from a local's (WAustralian) perspective. And the vice chancellor of Cambridge appears to think appears so too, judging from the quote in the Melbourne uni prospectus.

I agree with oxbridge being better than any Australian universities, though I still don't think it's fair of you to say that all our bright students want to go overseas because our universities aren't "all that".
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Also july intakes are available.

And about bond, my neighbour's a judge and he says bond lawyers are really respected. *shrugs*
My mother was a magistrate, whats your point?

While Bond might be respected they are certainly not hte best, That honour belongs to Griffith in QLD and their Innocence Project that they have had hapening for about 3 years now and is doing some ground breaking stuff.
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I went to Bond and completed an undergraduate degree there and it was an excellent uni, facilities, faculty, quality of teaching was IMO the best I have had, i.e. you get what you pay for. I have also studied at Auckland Uni (same level of teaching and research supposedly as UNSW, USyd, UQ etc) and Massey in NZ which were nowhere as good as Bond. Haven't studied anywhere else in Aussie though for comparison..

There were a number of law students that had transferred out of other law schools (quite a few I knew were from UQ and said it was crap there) and moved to Bond. But I dont think that this happening is indicative of how good or bad a uni is. Students transfer all the time for a variety of reasons.

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Yeah UQ rates pretty ordinary but it looks good on your CV with UQ being a group of 8 uni.
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(Original post by rubysolstice)
Maybe the best students can't afford to go over to the US or UK, and thought that melbourne happened to be a very good university. I don't think any academic excellence award winner from my school went overseas.

You know what i think it might be.

Could it be that we just cant be arsed going overseas? I know i cant be.
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You know what i think it might be.

Could it be that we just cant be arsed going overseas? I know i cant be.
LOL.

Plus as if you'd want to bother making a whole new group of friends etc. when they already live here :rolleyes: Also our unis are great and are, for the most part anyway, designed for us to get jobs in this country.
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I thought there were scholarships, the kiwi I spoke of got one anyway. I wasn't really attacking your universities and I did say I thought Melbourne was pretty good (I'm confused why repeating that in Melbourne would be so dangerous) just that the universities aren't as good as ours and I think this is because we just have larger populations and economies. I wouldn't want to offend any Aussies with the cricket the way it is, it could strain our relationship to breaking point
Ahaha!! :rolleyes: We're not doing that badly, just b/c Warnie has a bit of a repuation and all, doesn't mean he's bringing the whole team down :p:

Anyway likewise with the Rugby Union, mate :cool:
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World Champions :p: :p:

Look, I've made some very pro Aussie statements, sincerely too, even though you just want to steal our plumbers! Cheek!
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World Champions :p: :p:

Look, I've made some very pro Aussie statements, sincerely too, even though you just want to steal our plumbers! Cheek!
:eek: :confused: :rolleyes:

Wft, could someone please kindly explain what an earth riccardo is talking about :rolleyes: He's not making sense :p:
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Anyway likewise with the Rugby Union, mate :cool:
You forgot the Olympics :p:
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I currently go to UQ and im doing Applied Science. It is very boring.
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I currently go to UQ and im doing Applied Science. It is very boring.
Aw, poor you :p: How's Everdawn

Yeah I know what you mean, I'm studying science - doing a bachelor OF science But it's not applied Still can get boring tho, enter bioinformatics :rolleyes: And the exams can get scary :eek:
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Sydney Uni's the best. (uh, i am a little biased here).

ANU is good, but it is in Canberra, which is a bit dull.

UNSW is ok, too. It's a little hard to get to (transport links aren't so good).

But Sydney uni is quite pretty. My cousin was going to unsw but she changed her mind because she thought sydney would be more interesting. if that's any help.

melbourne is good. monash is good for science.

ah. i just looked at the date. two months ago. ah well.
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The official List that was in some uni study that my lecturer put up today in communication regulation on the best teaching at unis in AUS.

1- Uni of Woolongong
2- Australian Maratime College
3- ANU
4-University of Queensland... he sort of skipped then went to
35- Queensland University of Technology... he has hang ups about QUT you see.
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