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    I have been looking at the subject league tables in both the Times and Guardian, specifically at Mathematics.
    Considering Imperial College is a specialist science college I was amazed to see that the Times had them placed at 12th and the Guardian at 30th!
    Is there something inherently flawed with their Maths Dept?
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    (Original post by yawn1)
    I have been looking at the subject league tables in both the Times and Guardian, specifically at Mathematics.
    Considering Imperial College is a specialist science college I was amazed to see that the Times had them placed at 12th and the Guardian at 30th!
    Is there something inherently flawed with their Maths Dept?
    i havnt heard any such thing, but i would trust those broadsheets. What were the top language universities out of interest?
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    (Original post by italianmark)
    i havnt heard any such thing, but i would trust those broadsheets. What were the top language universities out of interest?
    Hi Mark,

    Which language do you want to know about? Because English, French, German, Iberian, Italian, and Russian and East European languages are all listed separately.

    x-Laura-x
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    (Original post by *starbuck*)
    Hi Mark,

    Which language do you want to know about? Because English, French, German, Iberian, Italian, and Russian and East European languages are all listed separately.

    x-Laura-x
    hi, u were quick to respond! i was gonna study french and italian... and where are u applying to?
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    (Original post by italianmark)
    hi, u were quick to respond! i was gonna study french and italian... and where are u applying to?
    Hi

    Top 5 for French are: Cambridge, Aberdeen, Oxford, Glasgow and Durham.

    Top 5 for Italian are: Cambridge, Birmingham, Oxford, Swansea and St Andrews.

    I'm not applying this year, 'cause I'm only doing AS's.

    x-Laura-x
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    (Original post by *starbuck*)
    Hi

    Top 5 for French are: Cambridge, Aberdeen, Oxford, Glasgow and Durham.

    Top 5 for Italian are: Cambridge, Birmingham, Oxford, Swansea and St Andrews.

    I'm not applying this year, 'cause I'm only doing AS's.

    x-Laura-x
    hm, applying to cambridge but not ot the others! what are u studying, wanna chat on msn?
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    (Original post by *starbuck*)
    Hi

    Top 5 for French are: Cambridge, Aberdeen, Oxford, Glasgow and Durham.

    Top 5 for Italian are: Cambridge, Birmingham, Oxford, Swansea and St Andrews.

    I'm not applying this year, 'cause I'm only doing AS's.

    x-Laura-x
    Cambridge does not figure in the subject league tables for French in guardian league tables.
    Where did you get your info from?
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    (Original post by yawn1)
    Cambridge does not figure in the subject league tables for French in guardian league tables.
    Where did you get your info from?
    The Times Good University Guide 2004, havent checked the Guardian site.

    Mark - I'm studying Maths, Biology and Chemisty with the hope of doing Medicine...email address is [email protected]otmail.com if you want to chat.

    x-Laura-x
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    (Original post by yawn1)
    Cambridge does not figure in the subject league tables for French in guardian league tables.
    Where did you get your info from?
    well thats a bit sloppy from the guardians research department cambridge is good at just about all its courses... i got the info from many a source... mainly applying to the good ones not just renowned for languages
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    (Original post by *starbuck*)
    The Times Good University Guide 2004, havent checked the Guardian site.

    Mark - I'm studying Maths, Biology and Chemisty with the hope of doing Medicine...email address is [email protected] if you want to chat.

    x-Laura-x
    There's a lot of variation in language league tables - but I suppose there is in all the subjects. Moral of the subject - "Don't read too much into them!" Look at websites instead and compare degree programs and outcomes.

    Generally, in academic circles, the Times' univeristy league table is the significant one. However, their subject league tables, like those of all newspapers, can be extremely misleading. They are often ill-researched and based upon statistics of dubious quality (not just The Times, all of them). For instance, Computing league tables are based upon Teaching Quality Assessments at least 7 years old (or were). Further, they can consider things such as graduate employment (these statistics can be extremely misleading and are prone to huge inaccuracies). And the list of problems goes on...

    My advice would be to ignore subject league tables. It's much better to base your decision on open days, general reputation, whether a course is focussed on the area of maths that you want to study etc.

    To be more specific, though, and to insult lots of people , Cambridge (and, maybe, Oxford) is the best place to go for maths --- particularly if you want to go on to be an academic. And note that this is very hard to say given that I study Computing at Imperial...

    With respect to your specific comments about Imperial, Imperial is renowned for Science and Engineering. Maths is not engineering, and is arguably not science either.
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    Hmn. Im facing the same dilemma.
    I got an offer from Imperial (joint course of maths and compsci)..
    But also from Warwick (MMath), UCL (Maths), Notts (MMath).
    Not sure what to do.
    If Id choose Imperial, I might change to a full maths degree.
    But the maths department does not seem to be that reputable
    as opposed to for example computer science.

    yawn1, by this time of the year you have probably made
    decisions already?
    Where you gona go study?

    Any comments on imperial maths department (in general and
    compared to warwick and ucl) would be needed, thanks
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    (Original post by Pencil Queen)
    12th?

    It's 10th in the maths subject table I'm looking at. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,6734,00.html

    Looking at the raw data the score that is "dragging Imperial down" is a lowly 22/24 for teaching (all of their other data is comparable with the board leaders). The full report is available here: http://www.qaa.ac.uk/revreps/subj_reports.asp?subjID=34
    (pdf I'm afraid). And looking at the report the reason for the slightly less than perfect score was because Imperial need (in 2000) to:



    Basically make it easier for the less bright students to chow what they did know (it sounds like their exams/courseworks were *very* challanging so even students who were ok might have had trouble getting started and so being able to show what they *could* do rather than falling at the first hurdle).

    And do more surveys of student satisfaction.

    Of course 4 years later it's more than possible that Imperial have addressed these issues (so it's a little harsh for them to be marked down on it still now - but not quite so bad as the departments which are still being judged on assessments carried out in 1992(!))

    In fact looking at the scores for the top 2 on the maths table part of me can't help but think that someone at the Times decided to fiddle with the weightings to make sure Cambridge didn't come top (Cambridge does better than Bath on every measure apart from the teaching assessment score (23/24 for Cam, 24/24 for Bath) - and yet Bath comes top...not that teaching isn't important but that one point difference in an outmoded, discontinued assessment should hardly be the driving criteria behind the ranking).
    I have checked and you are correct - I don't know where I got 12th for Imperial for as the previous year they were 11th so 12th doesn't figure at all!

    Bath has come 1st above Cambridge for the last 3 years - the tables are 'moveable' from year to year as other unis positions have changed so it's not as though they use identical data every year.

    Bath also topped Guardian's subject tables for Maths in 2002 - so what has changed in their assessment mode from 2002 - 2003?
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    (Original post by yawn1)
    I have been looking at the subject league tables in both the Times and Guardian, specifically at Mathematics.
    Considering Imperial College is a specialist science college I was amazed to see that the Times had them placed at 12th and the Guardian at 30th!
    Is there something inherently flawed with their Maths Dept?
    Yeah because i think imperial college forgot to give a statistic, but concentrate on the reserach ratings. Imperial college is good for maths and it's reputation is pretty much unrivalled.
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    hey...Im an international student and I basically judge the reputation of the university on univeristy league tables. But it seems that different university assesses on different criterias. I have offers from Nottingham and Bath for Architecture. Nottingham topped the Architecture table but Bath is only 2 places down. However, Bath ranks 5th overall. Most ppl say both universities are pretty good and about the same. Of the two, which has a better reputation???
 
 
 
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