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Reply 40
Tutors aren't really there to teach you the course. The materials do the bulk of the work in my experience (IT and maths.)
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I've had ~10 different tutors, some for more than one module and some are qualified teachers. I could still email one ex-tutor today with a mathematical question and get a response. The tutors responding on course forums have also generally been very helpful and patient, sometimes including at least one of the authors. They have started recording more online tutorials and set up a collaborative space for student use. The total level of support seems to be improving quickly. I rarely need to resort to my own tutor in a private conversation when I get stuck, only for TMA/feedback queries and extensions (generally promptly answered/granted.) A bad tutor shouldn't be a huge handicap as long as their marking is fair and in maths that is generally (objectively) the case.

I don't know much about tutoring in other subjects but have read various stories elsewhere. I don't know how common 'bad tutoring' is overall.
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Milton Keynes
I do actually think it's different for different subjects, especially arts and social science ones. There is a lot more interpretation going on and concepts to get your head around and as a result some students might feel the need for more tutor support. That's at least the feeling I have gotten from my fellow students, especially in tutorials. That's not to say maths is easier in any way though!

I think generally most of them try to be helpful but because it's just seen as a bit on the side for them they generally don't spend a whole lot of time on marking, engaging and what not. I do think that's a bit of a weak point. My tutor is lovely, teaches at a college, but she does take about 5 days to answer emails. I do think you could get a hell of a lot more support at a brick Uni (having attended two and working for one that was my experience all the way) but then again I guess the OU would say it's designed for self study.... Disappointing considering the price of it all.
Original post by Janejane
I understand that tutors are qualified in their subjects but I'm beginning to think, based on inefficient teaching skills, that they are not qualified teachers. To obtain maximum results they way we are taught cannot be underestimated. From my experience and from various comments read it seems to be luck of the draw. This is disappointing, I expected better. Thank goodness for OUPS!


I agree that tutors play a vital role in student performance. I have noted with the OU tutors that they do not even have to have specialist knowledge of a course.

One of the problems with this system of tutors, is that most of them have a full time career and tutoring with the OU is just a side line.
Original post by sputum
Tutors aren't really there to teach you the course. The materials do the bulk of the work in my experience (IT and maths.)
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I've had ~10 different tutors, some for more than one module and some are qualified teachers. I could still email one ex-tutor today with a mathematical question and get a response. The tutors responding on course forums have also generally been very helpful and patient, sometimes including at least one of the authors. They have started recording more online tutorials and set up a collaborative space for student use. The total level of support seems to be improving quickly. I rarely need to resort to my own tutor in a private conversation when I get stuck, only for TMA/feedback queries and extensions (generally promptly answered/granted.) A bad tutor shouldn't be a huge handicap as long as their marking is fair and in maths that is generally (objectively) the case.

I don't know much about tutoring in other subjects but have read various stories elsewhere. I don't know how common 'bad tutoring' is overall.


I like the idea that your tutor was recording tutorials online. I think this is an improvement especially for people who cannot get or the tutorial is held some distance away.
Original post by ak37
if there can be two meanings or interpretations of what I put in my assignment my tutor for my 2nd module seems to purposely take the wrong one, it only started happening after the first tma which took ages to be returned and I e-mailed the tutor as I am doing two modules this year an needed to stay in front, both are level one and my marks for the other module are good is the second module so much harder or was the tutor annoyed with me and decided to always take the least favourable interpretation even when it was pretty obvious I meant it in the other way. Am I taking these marks badly or do I have a reason to think my tutor is being unfair?


I think you should query this with the tutor.

I have encountered tutors who do not read what you have written properly so this may be the case with your tutor.

You are entitled to have every mark deducted explained so what did the tutor state for deducting marks? Can you find grounds to appeal, which firstly is that you email the tutor within so many days after receiving the marks.
Reply 45
For my first module, at the first face-to-face tutorial, someone called him a teacher and he went ballistic. He was adamant he was not a teacher, but a tutor, and it is not his job to teach but ours to learn for ourselves.
Original post by Simes
For my first module, at the first face-to-face tutorial, someone called him a teacher and he went ballistic. He was adamant he was not a teacher, but a tutor, and it is not his job to teach but ours to learn for ourselves.


I am shocked but sorry to hear this. It cannot have been nice for the students to watch this tutor going ballistic.

The tutor is incorrect as well.

The word tutor means 'one who teaches another' usually a student in a small group of students. or on a one to one basis.

I would think you as a group, could make a group complaint. Going ballistic, is bullying, a loss of control, and breaches the OU's standards and other policies such as lack of respect to the students for the loss of temper.

The student who referred to the tutor as a teacher, might also fear that their assignments could get marked down or be on the receiving end of the tutors malice.

I have heard of instances of OU tutors being dismissed. If I were you, I would complain about this tutor and send in the complaint to the Student Casework office to advise the OU as well that this tutor has loss of control with their temper. (Regional Centres do not deal with complaints, but you could raise the issue with them and say you want to complain.

If you do not want to complain, then students can request to change tutors if they are not happy with the one they are assigned to and you can contact peer support. Just type in the search box on your student home page, peer support, this will take you to a paragraph which has a web link request peer support. Just select this, it will take you to a page. It is entirely anonymous and run by other students.

Maybe the whole group of you could have got up and walked out in protest. The OU takes more note of when a group protest, complain. The OU usually has representatives somewhere around the place where the tutorials are being held, if any student wanted to, they could have reported the matter to that person also. (if it happens again).

Hope this helps and it sounds like a dreadful experience; maybe some students will fear this tutor could loose his temper again for some other small issue.
I am posting as a former OU tutor. I obviously can't speak for all tutors and every set of circumstances described in this thread but it's worth bearing in mind that:

- ALs are usually employed full-time in another role, often as a teacher, university lecturer, or in a profession related to their OU course.

- They are not well compensated for their AL role: http://www.open.ac.uk/jobs/tutors/sites/www.open.ac.uk.jobs.tutors/files/files/ecms/web-content/Salary-bands-and-points.pdf. A new AL in the example module here is paid £229.34 per month. This pays for their training, tutorials, email support, keeping up with the course material (quite a task), and (most burdensome of all) TMA marking. Marking 20 TMAs (let alone providing the extensive feedback that the OU seem to require) is extremely time consuming. I never worked out my hourly pay because it wouldn't have been any amount at all - I saw the AL role more as an opportunity to promote my subject and to support interested students.

- Some students require a lot of support which isn't necessarily obvious to others in the group. Students do (understandably) expect a lot from their tutors but many aren't completely on board with the idea that their "fair share" is 229.34/20=£11.47 worth of time per month, including marking of their TMAs.

That said, if your AL is acting inappropriately or you don't feel that you are getting the support you need, the OU does have a very robust line management system. If you can't talk directly to your tutor (or have done so without success) then do contact the OU. They are likely to speak with +/- performance manage the AL and will move your tutor group if necessary. I also don't think that these pressures are unique to the OU - they are a problem in traditional universities as well. In fact, traditional universities are sometimes worse as a lecturer might have 200 students in their module and as many answers to mark at exam time!
Original post by MonteCristo
I am posting as a former OU tutor. I obviously can't speak for all tutors and every set of circumstances described in this thread but it's worth bearing in mind that:

- ALs are usually employed full-time in another role, often as a teacher, university lecturer, or in a profession related to their OU course.

- They are not well compensated for their AL role: http://www.open.ac.uk/jobs/tutors/sites/www.open.ac.uk.jobs.tutors/files/files/ecms/web-content/Salary-bands-and-points.pdf. A new AL in the example module here is paid £229.34 per month. This pays for their training, tutorials, email support, keeping up with the course material (quite a task), and (most burdensome of all) TMA marking. Marking 20 TMAs (let alone providing the extensive feedback that the OU seem to require) is extremely time consuming. I never worked out my hourly pay because it wouldn't have been any amount at all - I saw the AL role more as an opportunity to promote my subject and to support interested students.

- Some students require a lot of support which isn't necessarily obvious to others in the group. Students do (understandably) expect a lot from their tutors but many aren't completely on board with the idea that their "fair share" is 229.34/20=£11.47 worth of time per month, including marking of their TMAs.

That said, if your AL is acting inappropriately or you don't feel that you are getting the support you need, the OU does have a very robust line management system. If you can't talk directly to your tutor (or have done so without success) then do contact the OU. They are likely to speak with +/- performance manage the AL and will move your tutor group if necessary. I also don't think that these pressures are unique to the OU - they are a problem in traditional universities as well. In fact, traditional universities are sometimes worse as a lecturer might have 200 students in their module and as many answers to mark at exam time!


Interesting comments, and I agree the money you are paid does not sound a lot for the time. But students know nothing of the 'fairshare' and I have never heard of it! Students now are paying £2700 for a 60 point course, so this is down to the OU to make sure they pay the tutors adequately.

So, if I have understood correctly, you only got paid about £11 per student, that is slave labour, surely well below the minimum wage.

Your comments are very enlightening. Traditional universities like York (one I have considered applying to in future) have a limit on the numbers of students per tutor, not anything like 200.

I have sometimes been fed up with OU tutors, some have been very poor indeed, but the lack of pay is the likely explanation coupled with lack of time.
I certainly don't want to make excuses for poor tutoring but thought it might explain some of the mismatched expectations between tutors and students. I was an AL for a couple of years but had to invest a huge amount of time (that I couldn't financially justify) to satisfy my students' expectations. I agree, though, that you pay your tuition fees and should demand a corresponding level of support. It's up to ALs to either campaign for better recognition or to leave and let the market drive up tutor wages.
Original post by MonteCristo
I certainly don't want to make excuses for poor tutoring but thought it might explain some of the mismatched expectations between tutors and students. I was an AL for a couple of years but had to invest a huge amount of time (that I couldn't financially justify) to satisfy my students' expectations. I agree, though, that you pay your tuition fees and should demand a corresponding level of support. It's up to ALs to either campaign for better recognition or to leave and let the market drive up tutor wages.


I am a long term student and had no idea tutors were so poorly paid. It could explain why there are now less PHd qualified tutors. used to have tutors qualified to this level on some level 2 courses, and now noting they are absent on level 3 courses.

Could explain the reason is poor pay and masses of time required to be an OU tutor. Don't blame people if they are leaving and getting better positions elsewhere.
I agree.. My experience of the Open University was enough to put anyone off for life.The tutor, on the second assignment, sent an email to everyobe taking that module saying she wanted the assignments in early because she was going on holiday and didnt want to be getting assignments through to mark while she was on holiday. Now that in itself is fine but she then gave us the date she wanted the assignments in by and that left us short of two and a half weeks, not great when you're working and have family. So we all rushed to get them in on time for her to have her holiday and she sent feedback to everyone saying how disappointed she was that everyone had rushed it and not taken the time to do it properly... Emmm what do you expect when you made us rush it and knocked two and a half weeks off our allowed time to do it... She also had favourites and would mark things right for her favourites but mark them wrong for her less favourite students even though they were the same answers... Totally unprofessional

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