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But identical twins are never 100% genetically identical.
Yes, they are. That's kinda the whole point :rolleyes:

Young boys with TV's in their rooms can be watching stuff like Eurotrash, and either find the women attract, the men attractive - or both.
OMG the teletubbies are turning a whole generation into furry fetishists!
Men find women on the television attractive because they are straight, not the other way round.

The most likely reason I believe is a mixture of nature and life. It's obviously not going to be genetic because us lovely gays would of died out by now, so it's gonna have to be hormones in the womb. Though same as everything, we aren't all decided by biology, what with free will and all. Oh finally I beg please do not let this thread descend into we're all going to hell for our sins, si vous plait
There are allegedly benefits to women with the gene(s) that affect male homosexuality, e.g. increased fertility.

I haven't seen any evidence whatsoever so suggest that genetics or hormones have anything to do with the causes of homosexuality.
Identical twins being more likely to have the same orientation than fraternal twins?
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No other animals in the world show homosexuality as a lifestyle.
You otherwise seem to be quite knowledgable on this subject, but that statement is ridiculous, there are many documented cases of homosexuality in animals.
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(Original post by Speleo)
You otherwise seem to be quite knowledgable on this subject, but that statement is ridiculous, there are many documented cases of homosexuality in animals.
You're wasting your time with Northumbrian. We're designed for many other things but we don't always follow suit.
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(Original post by Northumbrian)
I haven't seen any evidence whatsoever so suggest that genetics or hormones have anything to do with the causes of homosexuality.

More likely in my opinion, is that it is usually as a result of a bad father-son relationship (in gay males of course) This may have happened in the first place, because the child had some stereotypically 'unmale' traits which the father could not relate to. This doesn't mean to say that genetics actually cause homosexuality.
Women? :confused:
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(Original post by Northumbrian)
We are biologically designed to be heterosexual. No other animals in the world show homosexuality as a lifestyle. It is instinct unless something has gone wrong earlier on.
Over three hundred species display homosexual behaviour. Some gay and transexual people have the same brain anatomy as a straight person of the opposite sex. So I wouldn't agree that we are "biologically designed to be heterosexual".
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Women?
Most anti-gay campaigners are probably quite happy watching lesbian porn.
It's just better for their arguments to forget about them.
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We are also biologically designed to eat meat but we have vegans and vegetarians. :rolleyes:
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(Original post by Speleo)
Most anti-gay campaigners are probably quite happy watching lesbian porn.
It's just better for their arguments to forget about them.
Yes I know. Pretty ironic IMO. I just realised that in Northumbrian's post above there's a deliberate focus on homosexual men, in fact, no mention of homosexual women whatsoever.
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Is it socially constructed or herditary? discuss.
maybe in someway both?

a lot more people are open about their sexuality today and in ancient times (ie. greece, rome) than they were, in say, the Victorian era.

But then again, this is in the nature vs. nurture arena - meaning there no clear answer yet
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We are also biologically designed to eat meat but we have vegans and vegetarians.
Hehe.
Everyone does a bunch of 'unnatural' things every day. I imagine posting on TSR is one of them, we obviously weren't 'meant' to use computers, or we'd have computer trees in the wild.
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Is it socially constructed or herditary? discuss.
As reproduction in the entirety of the known universe goes there is only heterosexual reproduction, asexual reproduction (inc binary fission and cuttings etc) and self-reproduction (sexual reproduction but between organ of same organism - can't remember word for it).

Nowhere is there biological homosexual reproduction. Homosexuality isn't the norm in reproduction. Get over it.
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In evolutionary terms, it we weren't biologically designed to be heterosexual, there'd be a lot less of us around now. I'm not denying the homosexual aspect of many species, but every animal is biologically designed to mate with the opposite sex. Thus, I'd say heterosexuality is down to nature, but human attitudes about sexuality are down to nuture.
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(Original post by Speleo)
Hehe.
Everyone does a bunch of 'unnatural' things every day. I imagine posting on TSR is one of them, we obviously weren't 'meant' to use computers, or we'd have computer trees in the wild.
In order to have posted a reply to me you would have to have read it. That's unnatural too, seriously. So I suppose those who advocate natural things are naturalists only eat organic food, walk everywhere, are against abortion and IVF etc. :rolleyes:
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(Original post by foolfarian)
and self-reproduction (sexual reproduction but between organ of same organism - can't remember word for it).
Sexually dimorphic?
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we were designed to be heterosexual otherwise we can't reproduce.
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I hate to say this and I'm sorry to any gay people I offend (if I do), but homosexuality is against nature in the way that two people of the same gender cannot reproduce. Heterosexuality is needed for reproduction and hence the evolution of the species.
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we were designed to be heterosexual otherwise we can't reproduce.
The word 'designed' implies intent which implies a god or some other creator and your argument is therefore based in uncertainty rather than fact.
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Of course it is natural, we need it to exsit, unlike homosexuality.
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(Original post by Speleo)
The word 'designed' implies intent which implies a god or some other creator and your argument is therefore based in uncertainty rather than fact.
ok then pedant, we have "evolved"...etc

without heterosexuality there'd be no reproduction for us to evolve.
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(Original post by Speleo)
The word 'designed' implies intent which implies a god or some other creator and your argument is therefore based in uncertainty rather than fact.
How about this for a fact, if you look down you will either notice you have a penis or a vagina. The penis is designed to enter the vagina, suggesting if we were designed at all, we were designed to be heterosexual.
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