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    (Original post by Helix88)
    Doesn't your school refund the bus tickets for you. Our one does as long as u have a half price bus pass. We have to hand in the receipts at the end of each term and they refund the money. Although this may just be becuase our 6th form is a consortium so we have to travel to school other than our own.
    Our school has a consortium so they gave people going to other schools taxis. Though you have to share taxis with other people. My school is quite skanky so it would probably try to fit as many people as possible into one taxi.
    Kinda off the subject of EMA.
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    (Original post by Helix88)
    Doesn't your school refund the bus tickets for you. Our one does as long as u have a half price bus pass. We have to hand in the receipts at the end of each term and they refund the money. Although this may just be becuase our 6th form is a consortium so we have to travel to school other than our own.
    our school does the same sorta thing, they also offer money for lunchs up to £1.70 a day. the people who get that is pretty much wokred out on earnings too, but there is no scale like with ema, its just if below this figure or you claim some sort of benefits,i dont know what ones, then you get those things, weve been doing that for yr's think it stated when our prev headmaster came so that was like 18 yrs ago
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    I'm not going to bother reading this entire topic but I'll add my two cents anyway.

    My parents earn more than 30k a year so I can't have EMA, but at the same time they simply cannot afford to pay for my transport and study materials when the time comes in September. I'm going to have to go out and work most of the week, and then put ALL of that money toward college. And at the same time every college wants to rub EMA in my face with each letter they send me, its like they want to torment me.
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    (Original post by _Jax_)
    lazy ppl cant be assed at school so they dont get as well paying jobs (under 30,000 pa) thus there children get ema

    what a load of bull! my dad was in the navy, my mum's worked all her life and to have someone like you pointing the finger at people who receive something you don't is a pretty sad outlook on life! :mad:

    If you're upset or angry that you are missing out on something due to this countries regime then complain to the Government on the way this country is run, not to the people who benefit by it!

    yes, i receive EMA, but I am not a "lazy underdog" and if that remark is down to your "experience" then obviously backgrounds DO say a lot for the way people behave! (This is using your own ideology, just so you know) :rolleyes:
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    Haven't read all the pages, so it may have been mentioned already, but my brother gets EMA (I'm at uni myself) and our Dad is retired (and not thru choice). He went to Grammar School, was in the Army and along with my mum has worked very hard all their life. As well as this my brother works 3 nights, at least, a week.

    Just because you come from a low income family does not mean your a lazy, underachiever who lives on benefits.
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    Just wanna add my two cents.

    My family isn't rich but we don't quality for ema. (I'm the year above anyway). My parents have paid for my transport which is a burden on them.

    Everyone that i see going in to college that does get EMA go in and do really crappy courses like "leisure and recreation". They seem to do bugger all work and spend their ema money on ****.

    Yer, its a generalisation but i believe most people that get EMA abuse it.

    I think the government should instead refund the cost of travel for those who's parents earn under a certain amount. And pay for their text books etc.

    I just think its very wrong that people get paid money by the government to go in to college, piss about. Its really unfair on those families who work hard all the time, but never get given any help by the government. Yet aren't rich either and get continually screwed over by them.

    I think a better system could instead only give you ema entitlment if you get good reports and good grades. The principle of ema is ok, its just the fact that its so easily abused. Some people attend the required number of lessons but this counts of nothing if they don't do anything in them or outside of them and get crap grades and just waste.
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    Ok, I'm gunna post this before I absolutely go ballistic and track the lot of you down and kill you all!!!!! (not literally of course).
    How dare you ever make such *******s generalisations about things you know nothing about, honestly, how dare you!!!!! If you realised what you sounded like you would be ashamed of yourselves.
    My mother left school at a time when there were no formal qualifications, you just had to leave and get a job, there was no choice in the matter. I come from a single parent family (and don't even try to make any comments about that) and my mother has since gained a few small qualifications, but as it is, the only kind of jobs she can get are unskilled. She currently works 40+ hours a week in a call centre to provide for us on an income of £12,000. I receive £30 EMA a week and work bloody hard at 6th form. I am currently awaiting as levels in English Language, Philosophy, R.E, Biology and History and am predicted 4 A's at A level. I know many others in my situation and would love for you to come and try to say that they are lazy, that their parents are lazy and claim benefits and basically that they are no good for anything. And by the way for the people who said some people should do vocational things, EMA is also awarded for those qualifications so its not forcing people to do A levels when they're "not good enough".
    The levels of ignorance from bitter people who think that because their parents earn over the boundary that they are better than those who receive it are truly astounding.
    Without my EMA I would have no money for dinners at 6th form, for travel, books and everything else that I pay for including glasses, contact lenses, clothes and so much more. Without it, I would get by, yes, but it would be at the expense of my mother, and with just enough to cover living costs each month, a decent education would be something of a luxury.
    To those of you who wish to make sweeping generalisations, I would very much prefer it if you had some sort of basis for what you are talking about other than your mindless prejudices.
    i perfectly understand the feelings of those who are just over the boundary of £30,000 and the resentment they have, but when you think about families like mine, it means your income is almost triple that of mine, and although you may not receive that amount of money from your parents, it is often (certainly not always) the case that your family can afford (even if only just) the costs associated with higher education. This still, however, does not give you grounds to make such ignorant, insulting, infuriating and down right nasty comments.
    I sincerely hope that those of you who have made these misjudgments will rethink your opinions when you realise that you were, in fact, talking out of your arses...
    Thankyou for reading.

    And by the way, those who do piss about and don't make progress don't get paid...its not just about turning up you know...oh no you wouldn't know, because you havent actually informed yourself of factual information...
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    The EMA bonus system is a sham. I remember when the 1st bonuses came through the EMAers got their £100 bonuses provided they were no more than 1 grade below their target minimum. People who teachers saw to be working hard at their courses and working well above the standard expected were given a £5 book token. Is it just me or did someone do some sums wrong?
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    (Original post by seaspray)
    EMA is such a rediculous, unfair, waste-of-tax-payers-money scheme with no significantly positive outcomes. :mad:

    I am furious at the whole system.
    yes i agree......only because i don't get it!
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    (Original post by Zakatu)

    Yer, its a generalisation but i believe most people that get EMA abuse it.

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    totally agree!!........in our school we all get given books for a whole year so there's no need to buy them!......and i've never heard of someone saying they've spent their ema on something educational....it's always a new pair of shoes or a new top or £30 spent on a day put with friends!
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    I'm receiving £20-a-week of EMA.

    Although I do think that maybe this is New Labour trying to BUY future votes...
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    Groovy moose said - presueably you managed to get to school for the previous 12 years - why not the last two?
    sorry to dig an old post up but the ignorance in that comment angered me so much...

    The first 11 years it was easy to get to school as infabts and primary are just up the road, and secondary school had a free bus service.. In 6th form the local education authority decided we no longer need free transport to get to school, instead we had to pay £10 per week to get the bus which is outrages.. £40 a month just so I could get to school and back, and some how you think because I oculd get to school for the past 11 years I could afford the tenner a week to get the bus. My familt is not rich and due to circumstances i could not get EMA even though i needed it and family income was and still is very low (no parents long story etc) transport to and from school should be free period..

    An another note, thank god for the student loan system next year otherwise I could never afford Uni
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    (Original post by ssmoose)
    The EMA bonus system is a sham. I remember when the 1st bonuses came through the EMAers got their £100 bonuses provided they were no more than 1 grade below their target minimum. People who teachers saw to be working hard at their courses and working well above the standard expected were given a £5 book token. Is it just me or did someone do some sums wrong?
    Everyone who has met the tagets determined by the school gets the bonus - providing they get EMA - end of. What is all this £5 book token thing?

    For all those ****ing ******s who say that those on EMA come from lazy families with thick kids you can **** right off! My mum cant work due to suffering from ME - this for those of you who dont know leads to extreme tiredness and thus she cannot manage to get up and about and go to work, it is enough of a struggle for her to get to the local shop and get some food in! My step dad works his arse off working for 8 till 5 or 6 for 5days a week and then has to do much of the household tasks at a weekend. I also have to help a lot at home and therefore do not have time to get a job because I also need to do my studies. Thus I need EMA just so that I have money! I think all those who say EMA is given to lazy thickos should come up to me and say that to my face and to my mums face because I can tell you that you wouldn't leave on your feet.
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    (Original post by [email protected] x x x)

    If you're upset or angry that you are missing out on something due to this countries regime then complain to the Government on the way this country is run, not to the people who benefit by it!
    Um, I have complained to the government (typical of me LOL) - to my MP who I got a letter from yesterday saying how it's gone to the secretary of state for children and families (I can't remember who exactly). I basically said how I thought EMA was a good idea but how it is assessed wrongly. Yes, there are many, many people out there who really need the money and work very hard so they deserve it. However, there are also people who certainly don't need the money who are wasting it (eg people from private schools with divorced parents...), and there are people who should be getting EMA who don't. They (the government) said they'd get back to me in September.

    Obviously I don't expect them to change everything because of my little opinion(!) but I thought it might be useful for the government to know that this is quite a controversial thing (I gave a link to this TSR thread as evidence!).

    We'll see what happens...

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    HMMM, I have read some of this topic though not all. I am not from the UK nor do I understand how EMA is given, (I'm not even sure what it stands for) but from what I have read, it seems that those who get under 30K a year get EMA. I'm from America and I guess I can give you guys a scoop on how some of the educational aide around here gets distributed.

    First of all, your first 13 years of schooling is compulsory. No one has to buy books because all books are loaned to you for the year from the school. If you wreck the book or lose it, you have to pay for it. Every year, the school loans you the corresponding year's books. You don't get to keep the books. As for stationary and other school supplies, as far as I'm concerned, there is no aid for that at all but there are many places where you can get such items for EXTREMELY low prices. If your family makes below a certain quantity of money a year, the school will provide lunch for you free of charge. (I don't mean to generalize but the amount of people who dump their lunch in the garbage and just eat the snack in it for lunch makes me very mad!) As for transportation, except for my high school (year 10-13 assuming kindergarten to be year 1), if you live a certain distance from the school, like more than a mile, the county is required to send a school bus to take you to school free of charge. This is suppose to be for K-year 13 schooling. A lot of people at my high school take the city bus but I don't know if they get reimbursed for that or not. I never had to take the school bus because I lived within walking distance of my school.

    When you get to the University level, if you qualify for financial aide (depending on your family income and high school grades), the government will grant you money and the money is sent directly to your university and goes directly into your tuition. Whatever is left is put into your student account. Every university student has a money account through the school. The money in that account can be taken out once tuition is paid. Most people I know who recieve aid spend it on books since books are very expensive at most if not all universities. The amount of aide you recieve each year, if any at all, is dependent on your family income and your grades. If you do poorly or just average, you may get little or no aide for the following school year. If you recieve scholarships, sometimes the scholarships are sent directly to the student so he/she may spend it as he/she chooses, and sometimes it's sent directly to the university and put into your account; it really depends on the scholarship.
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    I just want to add one thing into the both-parents income idea.

    I have never met my father. He's a consultant surgeon somewhere up country. As you can imagine, he has a big income. I live with my mother, and her income puts us into the £30 EMA strata. She works very hard as a private tutor and does well out of it, but obviously you're not going to be making big money. My father pays us a small amount that he is obliged by the CSA to pay, which has to come out of his income before he gets it because he refuses to pay for it. Even if that money was accounted for, I would still get EMA.

    I don't see why I shouldn't get EMA to help with my bus fare/books I need to buy/school trips just because my father, who I don't even know, has a big income.

    Maybe the maintenence should be accounted into a single parent's income. After all, they could be earning 10k, but get another 50k from the other parent and the child would still get £30.
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    (Original post by _Jax_)
    yeah but i bet u wud have got by without it
    Why should people have to get by without it? If it encourages younger people from less priveleged backgrounds to stay in education and have a career then thats good. It doesn't mean necceserily going to uni, but having a professional qualification or a modern apprenticeship is great for the economy as a whole as we have significant skills defecit in our current workforce.
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    (Original post by jiggaman7)
    well it makes life that little bit easier doesn't it and also acts as an incentive to get people to stay in school and not leave at 16

    and if your family income is over 30,000 anyway you definitely dont "need to work" you dont know the meaning of needing to work
    Oh yer like a combined income of £30,000 is mega these days isnt it! NOT, if youve got a nice house 2 kids and 2 cars like most people these days then you cant manage on that!
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    (Original post by MissSurfer)
    However, there are also people who certainly don't need the money who are wasting it (eg people from private schools with divorced parents...), and there are people who should be getting EMA who don't.
    Okay when you say this it isn't always true. One of my friends at my private college has his gradparents pay for it and he will be going back in September for his final year on a schoolership as the college realise how intelligent he is and don't want the fact that he can't pay for it to get in the way.

    I think I'm right in saying that both his parents (if they lived under the same house) would still not equal to above the 30K or even the 20K mark (I'm not sure which but they would still be under the 30K regardless). His mum who he lives with gets less than 10K a year working very hard to get it aswell.

    My friend has already told me that he will be getting EMA but he is still going to get a job to help his mum with the money problem they are in. He deserves the EMA wouldn't you say. It will hardly go on him and if it does it will be for things like food or the house he lives in etc. things that are needed. I wouldn't let anyone take EMA from him just because he goes to a private college. He needs that money more than most people who go to a state school/college. Also as he is only taking the science A-Levels and statistics aswell I think he isn't going to get it easy when you think he will have a job ontop of that work load.

    By the way I'm sorry for any spelling mistakes in that. My spelling is quite poor and I am trying to improve it but I can't always get it right unfortunatly .
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    OK, I've read some of this thread, and have an "outsider's opinion", or so I think, because I'm not British.

    Everybody seems to agree that the objective of EMA is a good one, but some people argue it's wrongly implemented. My solution, I believe, is a more comprehensive allocation system, that takes other factors into account apart from annual income (area of the country, number of siblings, etc etc etc, and why not? academic achievement). This would give the money to the people who need it the most.

    And on how the money is spent: here in Mexico we have a special government card for elderly people over 70 living in the Capital. It works like this: anyone over 70 gets it with little paperwork, and many welfare officials go to their homes to deliver it. It's provided by a company that specialises in corporate food and gas coupons (similar to Sodexho), and is a kind of debit card, valid in most stores, but ONLY IN THE CITY. It can only be used to purchase food and medicines, any other purchase gets rejected. I'm certain that kind of thing could be implemented in the UK!
 
 
 
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