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    (Original post by Pixelated)
    Exactly. It should require more than just "turning up"... Anyone can do that for a tenner (usually more) a week.
    The only problem with my idea is - they may need the money at that current moment: so either get EMA weekly or get a job...
    hmm, maybe it should be like a loan :p: you get it weekly and if HAVE to pass your exams (oooh the pressure) and if you dont, you have to pay it back like a loan :eek: incentive for you.
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    (Original post by sarforaz)
    The way i see it.. it would be more beneficial for all, if the people who were getting the EMA were to get it after lets say, passing the class/es they are taking.
    My cousin (single parent) went to 6th form, mainly for the money and everyone else pushed him forwards for the education. Went to 6th form until like a bit before the exams and then dropped out, and honestly didnt learn a thing :p: *ish proud*
    On the other hand i studied hard, and have a part time job (meh i have rich parents, but i dont get much cash off them) and i passed my exams with good grades.
    Since the 'point' of EMA is to encourage people to study and get the qualifications.. surely they should only get it on the merits, if they pass...
    I can understand where you're coming from but isn't the reason of ema so that people from lower income families can afford to purchase books, equipment and uniform etc?
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    (Original post by want2know)
    I can understand where you're coming from but isn't the reason of ema so that people from lower income families can afford to purchase books, equipment and uniform etc?
    That's part of it, but I think it's also supposed to act as an incentive to stay on, hence why you get money rather than vouchers.
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    (Original post by xPunkx)
    I hate the way that some people who don't have much money get about £30 a week per child. That's unfair in my opinion because eventhough my family's considered too rich to get any benefit money, my mum certainly couldn't afford to give ME £30 a week!
    you dont need it ******, you get dropped off to school in youre royce, and have the nanny pack you sandwhiches. This isnt spending money this is ment to aid people for travel expenses and supplies.

    Points i currently agree with as an EMA reciever:

    * limit the availability to those with passing grades.
    * limit availability due to attendance at college / actual envolvement and effort , along with good grades.
    * Do not give to chavs.
    * Create some form of vouchers for food, travel, possible clothing /other necessities.

    My family do not recieve any cheat benefits , however i do recieve EMA, single mother, income is less than £30k but more than £20k , i therefore am entitled.

    *export, burn and purge all benefit cheats, chavs.
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    hey dude shut up you do not know what you are talking about.
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    My two pence worth:

    I come from a fairly middle-class, well-off area, so not that many people get EMA at my school. Obviously there are a few people who abuse it but then there are more who don't. Two of my friends get it and they *do* need it.
    One of them lives with her mum who's a nurse, and gets about 15k a year for full-time work - and yes, she's qualified and intelligent, but nurses' pay is diabolical and another story... (my mum's a part time teacher and gets more than her). Now my friend gets *nothing* from her mum. She has to buy everything herself, clothes, textbooks (seeing how we have to buy all our textbooks for school, cos they won't spend money buying them for us) , language dictionaries, bags, pens, transport, food, you know, everything - she gets nothing from her mum. The EMA does help her out quite a lot. My other friend's in the same position - single mother, really low income. But they both have jobs and spend it on things they need, not just alcohol and drugs. They're both really clever and are doing well at college, but without the EMA it would have been a struggle for both of them.
    I know there are some people who abuse the system but you're always going to get that, and I think it's a good idea in principle - I know the cleverest guy in our year gets EMA and would have struggled to do his A levels and go to uni without it (he's applying to Oxford). For a lot of people it's not just scrounging off the state.
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    (Original post by khuelin)
    My two pence worth:

    I come from a fairly middle-class, well-off area, so not that many people get EMA at my school. Obviously there are a few people who abuse it but then there are more who don't. Two of my friends get it and they *do* need it.
    One of them lives with her mum who's a nurse, and gets about 15k a year for full-time work - and yes, she's qualified and intelligent, but nurses' pay is diabolical and another story... (my mum's a part time teacher and gets more than her). Now my friend gets *nothing* from her mum. She has to buy everything herself, clothes, textbooks (seeing how we have to buy all our textbooks for school, cos they won't spend money buying them for us) , language dictionaries, bags, pens, transport, food, you know, everything - she gets nothing from her mum. The EMA does help her out quite a lot. My other friend's in the same position - single mother, really low income. But they both have jobs and spend it on things they need, not just alcohol and drugs. They're both really clever and are doing well at college, but without the EMA it would have been a struggle for both of them.
    I know there are some people who abuse the system but you're always going to get that, and I think it's a good idea in principle - I know the cleverest guy in our year gets EMA and would have struggled to do his A levels and go to uni without it (he's applying to Oxford). For a lot of people it's not just scrounging off the state.
    Exactly. Just because some people abuse the system doesn't mean we should get rid of it entirely. Every system gets abused.
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    OK I think some people need to get rid of sterotypes in this thread. First most people who earn under £30,000 a year do not sit around doing nothing each day, most of them do go to work and most of them work very hard.

    I come from a single parent family my mum works in a school in the office and then she cares for my nan including sleeping over there every night to make sure she is ok without any financial gain. Yes I will be getting £30 a week but no I aren't going to go and waste it.
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    I feel it is very unfair

    I do not hold anything against those people who do get it as I would definetly apply for it if I was eligible.

    What really irritates me is that I have to work to earn my money whereas others just turn up at school and get it. Just because my parents earn above the maximum doesn't mean that they go around splashing money on me at every chance they get.

    What gets to me the most is those £100 bonuses if the people eligible for EMA meet their targets. I work just as hard if not more to do well and meet my targets but I won't receive any bonus.

    The whole system is unfair and needs changing
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    (Original post by mullabc.02)
    I feel it is very unfair

    I do not hold anything against those people who do get it as I would definetly apply for it if I was eligible.

    What really irritates me is that I have to work to earn my money whereas others just turn up at school and get it. Just because my parents earn above the maximum doesn't mean that they go around splashing money on me at every chance they get.

    What gets to me the most is those £100 bonuses if the people eligible for EMA meet their targets. I work just as hard if not more to do well and meet my targets but I won't receive any bonus.

    The whole system is unfair and needs changing
    A lot of people say EMA is unfair because people who earn over £30, 000 a year don't necessarily give their children £10-£30 a week, which is true, but the point is that they could if they wanted to. Whether they do or not is up to them. Also, it's supposed to be an incentive for children from low-income families to stay on, whereas in general those from more well-off families will be encouraged/expected to do so anyway.
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    I haven't read all the other pages of this thread as there are too many and I'll be here all night, but I don't qualify for the£10- £30 a week from the Government for staying in post-compusary education, but my parents have agreed to give me the money, but that means I'll have to buy all my own school stuff. Don't know which is the better option!
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    A lot of people say EMA is unfair because people who earn over £30, 000 a year don't necessarily give their children £10-£30 a week, which is true, but the point is that they could if they wanted to. Whether they do or not is up to them. Also, it's supposed to be an incentive for children from low-income families to stay on, whereas in general those from more well-off families will be encouraged/expected to do so anyway.
    My family earn more than £30k a year and there is no way i could get £30 a week 'if they wanted to', no bloody chance.
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    I think most people argue that either everyone should get the incentive to go, or no one.
    Obviously it helps many people, but if theres a larger ratio abusing the system, maybe more money should go into making the system specialist eg. restricting it more than just 'if your parents earn less than £xx,xxx a year' and thus find the cases which actually need it... but then again thats very hard.
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    ah hem. At my sixth form quite a lot of people receive EMA and there is no and i mean no stigma attaced to it as it seems to be in this thread. I also receive EMA because i come from a single parent family (dad as only parent).

    the extra £30 helps a lot! personally i save it and have yet to go into it as i'm saving for uni, i would hope others would spend the money wisely, and if they want to spend money on other stuff then get a part time job.

    people shouldn't be annoyed that they don't get the extra £30 as either they can get tht money if they wanted and also it is more likely university financial help will come from their parents then from their own pocket. anyway a lot of money i saved up will be used up quickly wen i get into uni. while other people will use their folks for money.
    * not in every case*
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    This debate is just going round and round in circles... If we're honest it's not really achieving anything... Types of threads like these should be banned imo...
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    (Original post by kellywood_5)
    A lot of people say EMA is unfair because people who earn over £30, 000 a year don't necessarily give their children £10-£30 a week, which is true, but the point is that they could if they wanted to. Whether they do or not is up to them. Also, it's supposed to be an incentive for children from low-income families to stay on, whereas in general those from more well-off families will be encouraged/expected to do so anyway.
    The arguement for that could be that those from the so called "well off" families will go out and get a job instead of going back to school making it a loop anyway. I know that for a while I was thinking about getting a job and ditching A-Levels but my parents wouldn't have it knowing that I actually wanted to do A-Levels. I only get £15/month from my parents for all my needs. With that money I have to get cloths, school stationary and I'm also useing it to save money for essentials incase I go to Uni (I'm doing well in this and have saved quite alot of money over the last year as my parents were doing this for my last GCSE year aswell). If I'm able to do that with only £15/month I'm sure those people that get EMA could be given less and more people could infact benifit from EMA.

    What they are doing is saying we'll give you money but not you as your parents have enough. Saying this is not always true. They do not take into account the amount of children that live in the house in question, they only know the income. They also don't think about income change from year to year, they take it from last years income which means that yes that could have been a good year for money. However they could this year need the extra money from the EMA to get by.

    I don't think EMA is wrong exactly I just think they should rethink the way they evaluate the people they give it to and how much money they should really give. They should also tell the people what to spend it on. Something educational like books, stationary or saving up for Uni are all good ideas. Without guidence on what they should spend it on quite a few of them just think it's desposible money that they don't need to work for and can do what they like with. This makes those who don't get EMA p***** off and I myself get anoyed when I find out what some people do with their EMA. I know that if I got it I would be put it into saving for Uni.
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    lets put it this way, who care what people so with the money it is up to them. i mean people are just repeating what others are saying.
    i mean its not that the country cant afford it so just let it be.!!
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    Well my family doesn't get the EMA and to be honest I probably don't need it in the slightest. I do support it though however I would recommend a few changes to it:

    Instead of having set values make the amount based on a sliding scale. There will be a difference in what a family earning £24,851 can do compared to a family earning £29,500 but children from both families receive £10. Similarly it is unfair for a family who get £30,500 as they are not much different from the £29.5K family.

    Increase the limits slightly for larger families. A single mother earning £30K who has 4 children will be in a worse off situation compared to a couple with one child and earning a total of £29K. People may argue the mother with 4 children should be punished for her own "choice" but didnt the family with less money also make a "choice" to earn less than the single mother with the job.

    I'm sure there are more ways this can be changed for the better but thats all I can think of. My general opinion is that cash handouts are usually not the best way to help people escape poverty (rather in some cases it traps them in poverty) but the EMA seems like a good idea to me.
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    (Original post by KhalidB)
    Increase the limits slightly for larger families. A single mother earning £30K who has 4 children will be in a worse off situation compared to a couple with one child and earning a total of £29K. People may argue the mother with 4 children should be punished for her own "choice" but didnt the family with less money also make a "choice" to earn less than the single mother with the job.
    I agree with you to a certain extent.

    My dad earns around 35k I believe, and i'm one of 4 children (Although 2 of these are my older brothers that are nearly 19 and 21), and my parents also have to pay £405 a year for my bus season ticket, as well as having to pay £350(which they cannot afford) for a Geography trip to Wales.

    Personally I think i should get something off EMA, even if it's only £10 a week.
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    I've just started sixth form...

    GCSE results: 3 A* 5 A 3 B

    reasonably good...

    this EMA is a joke! firstly I don't think certain students should get rewarded for just attending lessons...but they do...and its ridiculous how people like me don't get EMA because my parents have done better than others in their jobs. The thing that really frustrates me is that the students get £100 bonuses at christmas for good attendance!!! :mad:
 
 
 
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