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    (Original post by jiggaman7)
    yeah thats the way forward....forget encouraging people to go to university, they should forget that and get a nice job picking up our rubbish :rolleyes:
    Well what's your solution for continuing provision in these areas of work?
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    (Original post by Sami C)
    Exactly. This false dream of everyone achieving success has got out of hand. The number of unemployed graduates, or those in jobs earning money they could have got without degrees is rising each year. How is this helping people? Congratulations, instead of going straight into a job, you can get a pointless degree and have a side order of debt to help start you up.
    Atleast somebody is one the same wavelength as me.
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    yeah thats the way forward....forget encouraging people to go to university, they should forget that and get a nice job picking up our rubbish
    See my last post.
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    (Original post by seaspray)
    Well what's your solution for continuing provision in these areas of work?
    get rich snobs like you to do it to stop you thinking that you should be the professionals whilst others should carry on in this area of work
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    Atleast somebody is one the same wavelength as me.
    Hell yes.
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    (Original post by Sami C)
    See my last post.
    what that there are too many people graduating and not getting jobs??? any figures to actually back it up......

    ....and this is in certain lines of work if in an employment area at all
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    (Original post by seaspray)
    Surely that just makes it MORE UNFAIR - no benefits? Then why do you need EMA?
    :banghead: You're really not getting this, are you? You were implying that those who receive EMA have parents who are stupid and lazy, so they stay at home and live off benefits. I was pointing out that most people whose children get EMA work, but don't earn much, therefore their children need EMA.
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    get rich snobs like you to do it to stop you thinking that you should be the professionals whilst others should carry on in this area of work
    I wondered how long until the phrase "rich snobs" was going to be put into the argument. It is quite frankly a sign of ignorance. I am not calling for all state schools to be shut down and only those who go private to be allowed to study. I simply ask that this government do away with this mentality that they installed in this country that everyone must go into higher education or face social exclusion. It was caused many problems that will become apparent in the long-run, and it is a fact that not everyone can be successful so do away with your socialist attitude that everyone will live happier ever after. The world is a tough place, and paying people who should not be studying to study is not only a waste of my parents hard-earned money, but furthermore a new low point for this country. There are going to be rubbish collectors, cleaners, road sweepers in the future, and the sooner this generation realises that it will be some of them doing it, the better. I'd rather not have my future government contribution in taxes going to pay someone to study photography at college to realise their calling was in cleaning toilets.
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    (Original post by mrjoe)
    I dont agree with the EMA, i am not sugesting all those who receive it are lazy, however its purpose is questionable, it does inded act as a incendtive to stay on after 16, but this is not the right option for people who are not academically able, they are pursuaded to stay on at school, getting rubbish grades and then they will be sat at home watching TV in two years time. School, and university is not for everybody. They would be better doing vocational training.

    Also nobody at my school who gets EMA 'needs' it to survive or but school books, that idea is absurd.
    hmmm thats my feelings too your just more diplomatic at saying it
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    (Original post by jiggaman7)
    precisely why i think you're an absolute snob....many people dont just have grammar school educations or the chance to learn in places where they are taught properly....a friend of mine goes to an awful comprehensive near my house and hasn't even been taught GCSE maths A standard material because his tutor assumed none of them would grasp it anyway......

    and many people aren't pushed at home to learn and study....without my parents guiding me i probably wouldn't have acheived what i have at GCSE and A-level.....if you did know more people or lower priveleged backgrounds....you;d realise that its not as clear cut as why didn't your parents get better qualifications then
    Neither of these points are relevant. People with household incomes above £30k go to crap schools and aren't pushed to study too. I find your implication that parents who have less money are worse than rich parents and don't encourage their children to succeed classist and false.

    You can't accuse others of snobbery when you're being a snob yourself. Your comments about swimming pools and fancy cars prove that as well as making unfair assumptions about people from lower socio-economic backgrounds, you're guilty of snobbery against those from higher socio-economic backgrounds too. Well done :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Seren)
    Neither of these points are relevant. People with household incomes above £30k go to crap schools and aren't pushed to study too. I find your implication that parents who have less money are worse than rich parents and don't encourage their children to succeed classist and false.

    You can't accuse others of snobbery when you're being a snob yourself. Your comments about swimming pools and fancy cars prove that as well as making unfair assumptions about people from lower socio-economic backgrounds, you're guilty of snobbery against those from higher socio-economic backgrounds too. Well done :rolleyes:
    they weren' t points they were a response to a post...i ddin't write this post with the intention of making a new point to be discussed it was a reply....

    and learn to read if you think that i implied what i highlighted in bold....

    and yes i was making generalisations about rich people because ppl on this forum were making assumptions about poorer people being,lazy underachievers whose parents should have thought about money before not getting good qualifications, and some said that many poor people work less hard to be able to claim more benefits......
    seaspray even said that EMA makes people more likely to work less hard and have lower salaries in the future so that they can benefit from two years of £30 a week after 17 years at least!!
    ......and seaspray even said that she doesn't associate with too many poorer people so what gives some of you the right to questions peoples motives.
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    Stop making retarded generalizations you silly *****. If a persons family has a low household income doesn't necessarily mean that their parents were idiotic underachievers.
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    im guessing that wasn't to me
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    I think the whole EMA thing is a ridiculous idea. I don't receive EMA and my parents work hard and earn decent wages but they don't give me the equivalent of £30 a week to spend on whatever I want - which is what I'm sure a large majority do with the money.

    After all, it's not like uni were you have to buy things like textbooks and so on for your lessons. All these things are provided in most schools if you ask for it. And surely people that most need benefits would be the people that would most likely want to work hard and earn qualifications and money and make something of themselves instead of giving up and living off the government. Is it really that pathetic that people need an incentive to go to school?

    Of course there are a few that believe the EMA is 'rightly theirs', but quite frankly they are the idiotic layabouts that will live off the government anyway once they have left school so what is the point in them attending sixth form in the first place?

    Also, the use of the phrase 'rich snobs' is unnecessary. I don't understand how someone earning £29,999, for example, is classed so differently as someone earning £30,001, and how having a specific income defines whether you get this EMA or not. Surely each individual situation should be looked at. I have friends who have pretty well off parents who dont give them any extra money just because they have it, and I have friends whose parents aren't as well off who always spoil their children and dole out (excuse the pun) £100 for tracksuits and trainers.
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    (Original post by xx_Lottie_xx)
    I think the whole EMA thing is a ridiculous idea. I don't receive EMA and my parents work hard and earn decent wages but they don't give me the equivalent of £30 a week to spend on whatever I want - which is what I'm sure a large majority do with the money.

    After all, it's not like uni were you have to buy things like textbooks and so on for your lessons. All these things are provided in most schools if you ask for it. And surely people that most need benefits would be the people that would most likely want to work hard and earn qualifications and money and make something of themselves instead of giving up and living off the government. Is it really that pathetic that people need an incentive to go to school?

    Of course there are a few that believe the EMA is 'rightly theirs', but quite frankly they are the idiotic layabouts that will live off the government anyway once they have left school so what is the point in them attending sixth form in the first place?
    Also, the use of the phrase 'rich snobs' is unnecessary. I don't understand how someone earning £29,999, for example, is classed so differently as someone earning £30,001, and how having a specific income defines whether you get this EMA or not. Surely each individual situation should be looked at. I have friends who have pretty well off parents who dont give them any extra money just because they have it, and I have friends whose parents aren't as well off who always spoil their children and dole out (excuse the pun) £100 for tracksuits and trainers.
    well then thats being tight-fisted parents what dyu want the govt to do investigate how skingy parents are with their money
    and if rich snobs was unnecessary than that in bold is outright rudeness
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    No. The fact is that people are in different situations and I personally don't understand why or how people can be labelled according the the money they earn and therefore whether they get EMA or not. It's not about stingy parents at all, it's just that they don't feel they have the need to hand out money left, right and centre to their children just because they can. They don't want to have spoilt children, simple as.

    And, it's not rudeness, it's the truth. They will go to school as an easy way of getting money for a few years then proceed to benefits afterwards. If they aren't going to do anything with their education what is the point of them having one?
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    (Original post by xx_Lottie_xx)
    No. The fact is that people are in different situations and I personally don't understand why or how people can be labelled according the the money they earn and therefore whether they get EMA or not. It's not about stingy parents at all, it's just that they don't feel they have the need to hand out money left, right and centre to their children just because they can. They don't want to have spoilt children, simple as.

    And, it's not rudeness, it's the truth. They will go to school as an easy way of getting money for a few years then proceed to benefits afterwards. If they aren't going to do anything with their education what is the point of them having one?
    wat the f*k are you talking about.......how many people actually go to benefits after EMA dyu have any figures or are you making this up?????????????????

    and if they dont want to hand out money to their children then they dont have to but its not the govt's f'in fault is it.

    and there has to be a way of separating those who get EMA and those who dont and income is the best way....looking at different situations would be stupid as it would take too much time and cost to make EMA even worthile.
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    (Original post by Sami C)
    The world is a tough place, and paying people who should not be studying to study is not only a waste of my parents hard-earned money, but furthermore a new low point for this country. There are going to be rubbish collectors, cleaners, road sweepers in the future, and the sooner this generation realises that it will be some of them doing it, the better. I'd rather not have my future government contribution in taxes going to pay someone to study photography at college to realise their calling was in cleaning toilets.
    I completely agree. The incentive is to stay on for sixth form/further education, quite probably studying some rediculous A-Level, happily claiming your 30/week and then dropping out and claiming benefits once realising their (lack of) ability. Before everybody starts screaming that "not everyone on EMA gets benefits", yes I know that, and this statement is not saying that, simply that there is of course a majority of EMA claimers who undoubtedly do this.
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    (Original post by xx_Lottie_xx)
    They will go to school as an easy way of getting money for a few years then proceed to benefits afterwards. If they aren't going to do anything with their education what is the point of them having one?
    You've summed up what I was trying to get at in my earlier posts very succintly! I agree with you.

    Exactly. As has been said, you don't need £30 - £40 a week for stationary, and often individuals receiving EMA will receive free public transport to school from their local LEA/council. At one point I was spending £50 pw on transport to and from school - can you justify why I should have to pay this?

    Your low value arguments centred around notions of "rich snobs" work in our favour, really...An education has been most useful, I see.
 
 
 
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