Is England a country or a state/province?

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pimpman777
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I always thought the UK was a country, and that England and Scotland were just provinces, am I wrong?
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No, UK is a Kingdom, comprised of several countries.
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The UK is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The UK is still considered a country, but its components are NATIONS, they are more or less autonomous since devolution started as of 1997, but are still ruled by the government of Her Gracious Majesty comprising powers over the United Kingdom of Great Britain (England + Wales + Scotland) and Northern Ireland. Let's say that would be puzzling to assert there actually is an English state, while England has never been devolved and is, in effect, ruled and dealt with in Westminster Parliament. Of course, there is a Scottish Parliament (for instance) with considerable rights ranging from education to taxation, but it has no power whatsoever to enact laws or statutes concerning defence or diplomacy. The UK definitely is a country and a state, comprising several nations (which could be called countries in an oversimplification, but are not acknowledged as such by the 'international community').
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please do correct me if im wrong but dont people in N.Ireland not want to be part of the UK?
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(Original post by x_muneeb_x)
please do correct me if im wrong but dont people in N.Ireland not want to be part of the UK?
Some do, some do not.

Yes OP, the UK is a unitary state of four different countries/nations. The indiidual countries certainly aren't provinces (Ulster is a historical province of Ireland although this includes some of the Republic and doesn't really have anything to do with this discussion....)
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:rolleyes: England is a country.
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The word country is a very ambiguous word. It's pretty accepted in British English to call the nations of the UK countries even though they are clearly not the same type of thing as say France, Belgium, USA, China, etc. I think region or nation are better words. Province would be even better if it wasn't for Ireland's traditional provinces (of which NI forms part of one of them).

I think the Scottish parliament website explains it pretty well:

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is the full name of the country. Scotland is a kingdom within the United Kingdom (UK), and forms part of Britain (the largest island) and Great Britain (which includes the Scottish islands).

As the UK has no written constitution in the usual sense, constitutional terminology is fraught with difficulties of interpretation and it is common usage nowadays to describe the four constituent parts of the UK (Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland) as “countries”.
Whatever you want to call it, England is certainly not a country in the usual sense of the word.
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Of course the UK is a country, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are the four proud provinces of the UK (which can be referred to as Britain). But because Britain has no written constitution England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are often confused as being
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Hey, this thread is super old so I'm closing it now. If you want to continue the conversation, it's best to start a new thread :yy:
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