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    Is juvenile delinquency the result of socialization with the child from his/her parent/s? Is it the media's fault?

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    Different for differents - absent fathers are a growing problem, welfare dependency breeding cross generational laziness and disaffection, a national culture that for 40 years has had it's old values and standards destroyed and replaced by shadows, the dysgenic effects of the best women working (not breeding) and the worst women on welfare (and outbreeding) combined with their IQ differences, trotskyite perpetual revolutions in schools and police....

    Our elites are realising the destructiveness of their policies of the last few decades threatens to create an uncontrollable, unemployable and unsocialized underclass whose sheer numbers increasingly undermine their desire to exploit the worker ants.

    Whatever the cause, it is inexcusable. And by focusing on causes, you merely make excuses and almost justify juvenile delinquency.
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    However how will you prevent the acts of juvenile delinquency if you don't discuss the causes. We understand it's a wrong thing and we're not justifying it.

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    (Original post by Dexnell)
    However how will you prevent the acts of juvenile delinquency if you don't discuss the causes. We understand it's a wrong thing and we're not justifying it.

    - Dexnell
    Why aren't all poor children with uncaring parents juvenile delinquents? Why aren't all children that watch TV juvenile delinquents?
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    Is juvenile delinquency the result of socialization with the child from his/her parent/s? Is it the media's fault?

    Dexnell
    How about it's the delinquents fault?
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Why aren't all poor children with uncaring parents juvenile delinquents? Why aren't all children that watch TV juvenile delinquents?
    Maybe because they have somebody else may it be a teacher or family member even friend encouraging them. Maybe because they have the right friends. Maybe they themselves have a sense of self-enrichment and encouragement.
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    (Original post by Dexnell)
    Maybe because they have somebody else may it be a teacher or family member even friend encouraging them. Maybe because they have the right friends. Maybe they themselves have a sense of self-enrichment and encouragement.
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    Or maybe they're not lazy and/or stupid?
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    The problem is many delinquents- and I speak as a former delinquent- are not lazy or stupid. They use their abilities in ways that have an unpleasant effect on other people. There are many causes and many ways to prevent delinquency: the trouble is, the most effective ways to prevent it work long before people become delinquents. Punishment on its own doesn't work, can have disastrous side-effects and is much more expensive than prevention. In fact, there has been quite a lot of research into cuases of delinquency: the problem is that many of the things that could prevent it in the future are counter-intuitive or unpopular. They are often expensive, so people don't like the idea of "spending money on criminals". The fact that it may be a good long-term investment is irrelevant to them.
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    Why not tell us what turned you around rather than speculating on what might work for others weejim?

    Dexnell and Bizzy are each half right, psychometrists have long claimed a roughly 50/50 split between nature and nurture - evidence overwhelming.

    The n/n argument always seems to polarise with some people ridiculously indulgent of criminal monsters and others totally unwilling to appreciate how depressing and crushing some childrens environments are.

    Take the middle way and treat all youths with generosity and kindness until they step out of line - then destroy them with overwhelming force!
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    In my case moving out of a crime-inducing environment, learning to read and write and acquiring skills which gained respect from myself and others. Yes, for all the cliches, respect and self-respect are valuable and useful qualities. It would be much harder nowadays because of the easy availability of drugs, both because of the effect taking them has on people and because of the profits you can make smuggling and selling them. Becoming a criminal may be a rational career choice now for many more people.
    "Crushing with overwhelming force" might make you feel better, but going by the evidence it wouldn't have much effect on deterring people in the future or reforming them. I don't know about now, but there was work done years ago by the psychologist Hans Eysenck which suggested that different teaching methods and education methods worked much better with extraverts- who, he thought, were more likely to commit crimes- to prevent future criminality. It's interesting how sure people are about the effectiveness of particular ways of dealing with crime and criminals and how very little evidence there is to support their beliefs and how very little effort is made to find out what causes and prevents crime, both generally and in individual cases. I think that people prefer to believe that what they want to be true is true than that they may be mistaken.
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    (Original post by phillipsm)
    Whatever the cause, it is inexcusable. And by focusing on causes, you merely make excuses and almost justify juvenile delinquency.
    try and solve a problem without knowing how it was devised/where it came from will rarely be anywhere near as effective/long term as doing so with that knowledge...
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    Here's a case study for ya (psychologists should like this)

    10 year old boy, seems to have difficulty understanding difference between truth and lies, extememely disrupting and occasionally aggressive at school, has revealed to his councillor that he occasionally shoplifts sweets. His mother is from a quite well to do middle class family, she suffers from depression and rebelled at age 20, moved in with boy's father who is bout 15 years older then, she gets pregnant with boy and suffers from postnatal depression with him so doesn't bond at first. Gets pregnant again, father gets several life sentances for child abuse of a different child so is out of boys life. Mother and boy plus new sister move back home, then they move in with mother's friend who has 2 boys from a previous relationship with a woman who has 4 kids by 3 fathers. New man treats little girl as his own as he knew her from a baby. He doesn't have any time for boy and picks on him for anything and everything, punishment edges on phsical abuse. Mother hates life but doesn't feel she can cope without man, she can't control boy. She has 3rd son to fix relationship. It doesn't work, couple spend 50% of time not talking. All 3 children prefer being away from new man to being with him.

    Feel free to analyse case and make suggestions.
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Or maybe they're not lazy and/or stupid?

    That's an awful way to put it, Bismarck. I completely what your trying to portray. Your taking the angle of coming down hard on the deliquent. To some extend would you consider the term "spoiled." I believe ArthurOliver is correct in his post. Every angle is to blame. Parents to some extend, socialization with the outside world, peer pressure, psychological problems, poverty and the media, the child's blatant stubborness. Blame shouldn't be single-handed placed on one cause. Because in different scenarios one cause might override the other.

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