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(Original post by technik)
and generally i'd say someone with AAA, deserves the spot more than someone with CCC for example...

i can only imagine what would occur if someone from a terrible stereotyped inner city dungeon of a school were to get AAA. might as well give them the degree outright as a prize. :rolleyes:
Absolutely.

I don't think that Unis would ever favour a CCC over an AAA though.

The reason I gave is the actual reason which was given to us at college, by a teacher who knows one of the people responsible for admissions at a premier league Uni. It seems pretty common-sense to me.
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Absolutely.
Sorry, could you clarify?
We're you agreeing with the irony of what he just said or accually advocating the content of their ironic statement?
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does the generalising not stop at all??
no probably not.

i'm already at cambridge so i don't care. although i am failing my exams
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no probably not.

i'm already at cambridge so i don't care. although i am failing my exams
I'm sure with all the support you are getting from your tutors you will do OK. Does the first year count towards final degree status?

It is interesting you say you are failing your exams because you got top grades in all your subjects according to what you have said previously. It would be interesting to this thread if you could do a quick check and see if those who were admitted onto your course with lesser grades and from a disadvantaged educational experience are doing better than would be expected.

I know it is not definitive but it might give us an indication on whether Cambridge is right to make lower offers to some students (i.e. special access) on the basis that they do better at degree level.
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I'm sure with all the support you are getting from your tutors you will do OK. Does the first year count towards final degree status?

It is interesting you say you are failing your exams because you got top grades in all your subjects according to what you have said previously. It would be interesting to this thread if you could do a quick check and see if those who were admitted onto your course with lesser grades and from a disadvantaged educational experience are doing better than would be expected.

I know it is not definitive but it might give us an indication on whether Cambridge is right to make lower offers to some students (i.e. special access) on the basis that they do better at degree level.
all my friends got AAA or higher at A level. In fact, everyone I know got at least AAA and a lot of people have AAAA. The thing is, if Cambridge is for the best people in the country...well more people than just the best get all As. No offence to anyone else but a Cambridge student should easily have been able to get all As. The work here is so much more difficult.

I'm not actually failing my exams. I'm probably going to get a 2nd. Only 3rd year counts towards my final degree. I'm not going to do well because I've done a lot of other things during the year (extra curric - drama, sport, etc). It's not in my nature to be a geek, altho 3rd year I am determined to get a 1st.
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(Original post by Lozza)
all my friends got AAA or higher at A level. In fact, everyone I know got at least AAA and a lot of people have AAAA. The thing is, if Cambridge is for the best people in the country...well more people than just the best get all As. No offence to anyone else but a Cambridge student should easily have been able to get all As. The work here is so much more difficult.

I'm not actually failing my exams. I'm probably going to get a 2nd. Only 3rd year counts towards my final degree. I'm not going to do well because I've done a lot of other things during the year (extra curric - drama, sport, etc). It's not in my nature to be a geek, altho 3rd year I am determined to get a 1st.
Not all students at Oxbridge get all A's and not all of them are asked for all A's either. Whilst Oxbridge aims to admit the top 2% there is not enough room in both universites to take all those within that bracket - therefore there are many students from the top 2% elsewhere.

The reason that the work appears to be more difficult is that the syllabus is to be taught and examined within an 8 week period.

I am glad you are enjoying your undergraduate experience to the full - uni is about socialising as well as work! Are you sure though that after 2 years of having the full uni experience you will be practiced in really knuckling down to pure hard graft to get your 1st?
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(Original post by divine_aphrael)
Sorry, could you clarify?
We're you agreeing with the irony of what he just said or accually advocating the content of their ironic statement?
I was agreeing with the first paragraph of his post, not the Daily Mailesque second part.
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Yes, not for everyone, but for most. Its unfortunate you havent got a good job yet, but i expect you will, and good luck to you.
Yes I should hope I get a good job - but that doesn't neccesarily mean well paid. Why don't we just stick to income tax which is a much fairer system? That is what I am saying.
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The work here is so much more difficult.
Done a degree at another university then?
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I see you are a tory from your attitude towards other people, who you consider yourself to be above. That is what the whole tory aura is about. It isnt necessarily about money, and the accumulation of wealth (though this interests them greatly), it is also about the way they sneer at others. Has anyone else ever noticed you can spot a conservative a mile off- they have sneery, creep-like, pompous, buffoon- type faces that you could just slap. Labour supporters believe in hard work- the WORKING classes are their main supporters. If i was you, id read around a bit more, do a bit of observation, and then maybe you will be able to distinguish between the WORKING class, and the UNDERCLASS, which is who i presume you are talking about. And i suppose you would scrap benefits, and leave people who cannot cope alone to just rot.Take a look at the establishment and what it has caused, rather than blaming individual groups in society.
You know, the strange thing is that I can spot a Labour supporter from a mile off. They're those obnoxious types who think that Tony and Gordon could do no wrong and who think that the Tories want to eat their children and shove every member of the working classes onto the gallows to be hanged. They also include those that have lived off benefits from the age of 16 and who have never done an honest days work in their lives. Most of the time, when I spot those from the Labourite species, I feel as if I could just give them a punch in the face. :rolleyes:
Jeesh, i can hardly believe the stuff I read on here sometimes. The majority of Conservative voters are hard working people who don't want to see most of their hard earned cash blown on one of New Labour half wit schemes.
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You know, the strange thing is that I can spot a Labour supporter from a mile off. They're those obnoxious types who think that Tony and Gordon could do no wrong and who think that the Tories want to eat their children and shove every member of the working classes onto the gallows to be hanged. They also include those that have lived off benefits from the age of 16 and who have never done an honest days work in their lives. Most of the time, when I spot those from the Labourite species, I feel as if I could just give them a punch in the face. :rolleyes:
Jeesh, i can hardly believe the stuff I read on here sometimes. The majority of Conservative voters are hard working people who don't want to see most of their hard earned cash blown on one of New Labour half wit schemes.
Gosh, the *****yness on here is unbelieveable- me too don't worry. I think absolutely anyone you asked would say that it is the tory morons who are obnoxious. Look at Letwin, Redwood, Boris..... Of course they can do wrong, blair much more so than Brown. It is widely accepted that tory's are selfish people who dont have any sense of society and help for everyone, theyre so uncharitable. Most labour supporters work, then there is the underclass, which most people, including me, have a problem with. But as there is the underclass, there is the other end of the scale, rich people who dodge taxes, commit white- collar crimes such as fraud, etc. They are the extremes, and they are who the both of us are really arguing about. I don't want a slanging match with you!!!
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I don't want a slanging match with you!!!
Ignore him/her/it.

Yay for Oxford West and Abingdon.
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Ignore him/her/it.

Yay for Oxford West and Abingdon.
Hehe it's hard to, but i will. Tory's! urgh
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It is widely accepted that tory's are selfish people who dont have any sense of society and help for everyone, theyre so uncharitable.
Widely accepted by whom?
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It isnt necessarily about money, and the accumulation of wealth (though this interests them greatly), it is also about the way they sneer at others. Has anyone else ever noticed you can spot a conservative a mile off- they have sneery, creep-like, pompous, buffoon- type faces that you could just slap. Labour supporters believe in hard work- the WORKING classes are their main supporters. If i was you, id read around a bit more, do a bit of observation, and then maybe you will be able to distinguish between the WORKING class, and the UNDERCLASS, which is who i presume you are talking about. And i suppose you would scrap benefits, and leave people who cannot cope alone to just rot.Take a look at the establishment and what it has caused, rather than blaming individual groups in society.

What absoloute nonsence.
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What absoloute nonsence.
I know this will sound pedantic but I have to say it because you use the word with such frequency....it's 'nonsense'.
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I know this will sound pedantic
Yes it does.
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I hate the way this thread keeps descending into petty predjudices. And suprisingly what some people might say about 'snobs' and 'toffs' the people who are mostly descending into derogatory behavior based on inflated and misguided stereotypes are those who are arguing for the 'rights' of the working classes to a 'level playingfield'. I do wish people would stop it so we can talk about what really matters, rather than some jumped up nobody's perjudices.
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I hate the way this thread keeps descending into petty predjudices. And suprisingly what some people might say about 'snobs' and 'toffs' the people who are mostly descending into derogatory behavior based on inflated and misguided stereotypes are those who are arguing for the 'rights' of the working classes to a 'level playingfield'. I do wish people would stop it so we can talk about what really matters, rather than some jumped up nobody's perjudices.
Indeed you are right; i always go off on one after a while! Why do we always end up ranting? its a new goal for me.
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Hehe it's hard to, but i will. Tory's! urgh
Relax. Stay cool. Why waste your time arguing with them? Concentrate on your own studies and work. These people are not in any position of power or influence. Nothing will change no matter how much they waste their energy arguing here. No-one will give a hoot, really, whether you are the "Best Debater" or what crap on here outside of TSR.

From what I've read so far and my experience in their argumentative tactics, most of their arguments here nothing original- some laughingly exactly the same lines espoused of the Bush administration in the US and the Tories in the UK. They have already been refuted extensively in books, magazines, newspapers, forums, weblogs, etc. by political writers.

Some gems for yer:

The Difference between Conservatives and Liberals
Compassionate Conservatism

I'm sure the British won't be that stupid to let a racist, xenophobic party rise up in power in a country sensitive to foreign investment and which is trying to attract foreign talent in a global knowledge economy. Frankly, xenophobia and racism in either the US or the UK would be to Singapore's gain and advantage economically. Just to let you know, Tory supporters.
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