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    the fact the "abusers" are the same race as you voids the claim it was racist.
    When I am sigled out because I have a foreign name, it's racist. They were not saying 'what a silly name,' they were saying 'dirty Jew,' 'wog,' etc.

    And I am not the same race as them. Race isn't the same as colour. Brits and Spaniards are both white, but are they the same race? Is calling a spaniard a stupid spick racist or not?
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    (Original post by Northumbrian)
    When I am sigled out because I have a foreign name, it's racist. They were not saying 'what a silly name,' they were saying 'dirty Jew,' 'wog,' etc.

    And I am not the same race as them. Race isn't the same as colour. Brits and Spaniards are both white, but are they the same race? Is calling a spaniard a stupid spick racist or not?
    you're now confusing nationality with race.

    if both parties involved are white, it would stand to reason you are the same race, and therefore its not racism.

    nowadays just about anything is a race if you shout high enough. infact its all ********. theres caucasians or whites, blacks, asians and a few others and thats about it. usually your "race" is based on your colour or other distinguishing features, eg asian people with the "slit" eyes.

    to deal with your quote, referring to "jew" is religious. referring to "wog" doesnt apply. you said you were white. "wog" is a term involving middle eastern or north african peoples, and sometimes black people.

    its more likely that ****ging your name off is some twist on xenophobia, rather than racism.
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    It also said it was worried by the success of the British National Party, which "resorted to openly racist and xenophobic propaganda", in building "considerable local support bases in certain areas". It suggested that the Government could consider outlawing such organisations .
    I'd be interested to hear anybody explain how the BNP are in any meaningful way racist? The word doesn't have much meaning in a world where most prefer their countries to be retain near total ethnic homogenity. Do we mean normal?

    I did hear an interview where a BNP spokesperson was asked whether he would prefer a given immigrant to be Polish or Indian and the spokesperson wouldn't express a preference. What he should have said is we don't want either, but if we did the Poles should come first because they are more likely to integrate in time.

    Multi-ethnic states are war zones and always crumble.

    (Original post by MMA)
    It proves that the EU does not want parties that are going to cause tension and problems in certain communities by using racist and bigoted literature. Remember that your leader has been convicted of 'inciting racial hatred.' Political parties should not be allowed to exist if they are openly breaking the law- which according to the article, it was.
    It's racist to criticise a religious text? I'm in favour of religious tolerance and do not like the way the BNP draw on Islam to explain young British Pakistanis gang raping and murdering white people, these kids are not fired by Islam they're fired by racism and hate - human not religious.

    But we must have the freedom to criticise religions, and political parties might be expected to lead the fight against bad laws.

    (Original post by thebucketwoman)
    That said, I'm very pleased with the new legislation against incitement to religious hatred, the BNP are guilty of stirring up so much islamophobia.
    The BNP are guilty of a nasty stirring up of fear of people who are nominally Muslims, but whether fear of Islam is irrational for infidels :rolleyes: is debatable. Inciting hatred is a deliberately nebulous phrase.

    (Original post by Vienna)
    Bearing in mind Labour brought this legislation in as a result of MCB lobbying, Im confident that they are going to continue bending over backwards to fit the same minority view.
    The racial spoils system is how the government manages an unnatural multi-ethnic state with antagonistic and incompatible peoples. Racial head counts can replace elections if we continue down this road.

    Can anybody explain the use of the term far-right? It seems to be a smokescreen for socialists who want to link racism to the right. The BNP aren't right wing.

    Objectivism has the right of it (if he can explain racism and why it's so wrong).
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    if both parties involved are white, it would stand to reason you are the same race, and therefore its not racism.
    No. 'White' is not a race. Persians are white as are Irish people, but Persian and Celts are different races n'est pas?

    "wog" is a term involving middle eastern
    My father is from Iran.

    to deal with your quote, referring to "jew" is religious.
    :rolleyes: So the nazis were not racist towards Jews? They a race in the eyes of the law.
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    I'd be interested to hear anybody explain how the BNP are in any meaningful way racist? The word doesn't have much meaning in a world where most prefer their countries to be retain near total ethnic homogenity.
    Balls. Most countries are multi racial anyway. Natively multiracial.

    The BNP have had several openly racist members and still does. Their leader denied the Holocaust. Their founder is a white supremacist. Their 'leadership' has a string of race-hate convictions.....

    Multi-ethnic states are war zones and always crumble.
    Sure! Like the USA? Iran? India?
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    Can't be bothered to read the whole thread. Outlawing the BNP will make it more appealing to younger generations so will backfire on the EU. Democracy in general is over rated:

    Suppose you're stranded on a desert island with 99 other people. Those 99 other people decide to burn you. All is done fairly with a vote mind you so tis all above board.

    Enjoy getting burned, and lets all rethink democracy, it's hardly ideal.

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    (Original post by Northumbrian)
    Balls. Most countries are multi racial anyway. Natively multiracial.
    Not really true, pretty much the whole of Africa, the mid-east and central Asia were carved up into states by departing imperial powers and peoples who would have had relative geographic sovereignty were thrown into a mix. Result: civil wars, resented minority elites, genocides, subjugation...

    In states where there has been displacement by economic migrants there is inter-ethnic conflict and state imposed quotas and preference programmes to try and manage the ethnic competition between the malcontents.

    The BNP have had several openly racist members and still does. Their leader denied the Holocaust. Their founder is a white supremacist. Their 'leadership' has a string of race-hate convictions.....
    I don't know about that, you may be right and I shan't defend the BNP - they make plenty of other mistakes, but I would say that white supremacist is sometimes used when white seperatist would be more accurate. The supremacist tag is not affixed to other nationalist movements.

    Sure! Like the USA? Iran? India
    Sure if you like. Those are conspicuously bad choices to make in refutation but to be fair there are no good ones.
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    (Original post by Northumbrian)
    The BNP have had several openly racist members and still does.
    Good arguement, I heard all Tories were paedophiles. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=99476

    Andrew

    p.s. for people who don't fully understand what I'm trying to achieve by this post keep your comments to yourself, if you get it then please respond.
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    (Original post by andyukguy)
    Can't be bothered to read the whole thread. Outlawing the BNP will make it more appealing to younger generations so will backfire on the EU. Democracy in general is over rated:

    Suppose you're stranded on a desert island with 99 other people. Those 99 other people decide to burn you. All is done fairly with a vote mind you so tis all above board.

    Enjoy getting burned, and lets all rethink democracy, it's hardly ideal.
    You would replace it with...?
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    Not really true, pretty much the whole of Africa, the mid-east and central Asia were carved up into states by departing imperial powers and peoples who would have had relative geographic sovereignty were thrown into a mix. Result: civil wars, resented minority elites, genocides, subjugation...
    Yes true. The Holy Land has always been multi ethnic. Egypt was always multi-ethnic. Iran was always multi-ethnic, same for India, China, Russia etc etc.

    Good arguement, I heard all Tories were paedophiles.
    I'm not talking about the odd few, I'm talking about a majority. 'Several' of them have been caught on camera.

    Sure if you like. Those are conspicuously bad choices to make in refutation but to be fair there are no good ones.
    The USA is multi-ethnic and is the most powerful nation in the world. Iran is multi-ethnic and has existed for over 3500 years. India has not only existed also for thousands of years, but is set to become a major power in the future.
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    (Original post by kizdesai)
    This commision hasn't done anything but suggest. I will be very suprised if the BNP become outlawed.
    (Original post by Howard)
    I wouldn't.
    Why? I'm not disputing it. I'm just wondering if you have some evidence of the EU banning political parties for extremity or anything similar-- or if it's just a gut feeling.

    I'd be suprised, because they know they can't do it. There would be, and rightly should be- a public outcry...
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    (Original post by kizdesai)
    I'd be suprised, because they know they can't do it. There would be, and rightly should be- a public outcry...
    If they know they can't do it? Why are they putting out these political feelers? Probably to gauge the reaction. After all in a democracy if the majority votes in favour of banning the BNP so be it.

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    (Original post by nige)
    You would replace it with...?
    I'm working on that, I'll post a thread when I come up with something.

    Andrew
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    (Original post by andyukguy)
    If they know they can't do it? Why are they putting out these political feelers? Probably to gauge the reaction. After all in a democracy if the majority votes in favour of banning the BNP so be it.

    Andrew
    democracy should express the views of all. I'm not going to throw a fit until this law is actually past, this is all speculation. if anything I'm happy the idea has been thrown about, atleast it can be debated and hopefully the best decision will be made, imo that would be one which does not violate freedom of speech...

    p.s i'm not saying that the EU is democratic *sigh*
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    (Original post by Northumbrian)
    What exactly do you mean? I should shut up and put up with it?
    No. You always have suicide as an option.
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    [QUOTE=Northumbrian]They bullied me on my school bus for a few years. QUOTE]

    Has anyone seen my violin?
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    Banning the BNP is silly. They want a war, they want the streets to run with blood... So I will wait until the time comes for me to grant them their wish... When that times comes they will be defeated never to resurface as a legitimate party.
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    Has anyone seen my violin?
    I was asked a question? Do you think I should ignore people? Don't you have your Enoch Powell shrine to lick?
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    (Original post by Howard)
    You said it. "Likely to incite" The three most ambiguous and open to interpretation words in the legal lexicon. Meaningless bollox I'm afraid.
    I quoted that in General Studies lol cause in the context of the question it actually made quite a bit of sense.
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    (Original post by Alex Mann)
    I quoted that in General Studies lol cause in the context of the question it actually made quite a bit of sense.
    Nice to have been of service.
 
 
 
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