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Rainy
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(Original post by kpg)
The sad fact is that Roy Keane > everyone else in the league

Until Gerrard learns to control a game like Keane he is a long way off where he can be. Rafa will sort him out though.
Blasphemy! Roy Keane's past it. He's 33 now, and won't be able to play at top level for much more than another year. By his standards, this season's been relatively quiet, and he's not the player he used to be.

(Original post by kpg)
Lampard is more like Scholes.
Not really. Scholes is more of a playmaker, who orchestrates the Manchester attack. Whereas Scholes looks to hold the ball and play attackers in, Lampard is generally the final move of the phase.
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But kpg has a point - neither Gerrard nor Lampard can control the pace of a game. The best player ever at that imo is Roy Keane, and he's still doing it now. The only other player in the Premiership that can do that is Michael Carrick, but not as well as Keane. Vieira sort of can, but he's not good at increasing the tempo, just slowing it down a bit.
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in terms of looks....ste gerrard, in terms of ability....ste gerrard.
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steven gerrard - prolly the best player in the world :cool:
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(Original post by Raindance)
Engine: Gerrard > Lampard
Hmm i honestly couldnt seperate them in this department. Both give their all ever time
Creativity: Gerrard > Lampard
Agreed.
Ball winning: Gerrard > Lampard
Agreed.
Influence: Gerrard > Lampard
Agreed.
Goal threat: Lampard > Gerrard
No competition here really.
Technique: Lampard > Gerrard
No way! Gerrard has excellent technique while Lampards has never been his strongest point.
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(Original post by mirwelsh87)
Oh yeah most definitely, players like Lewis Moody add a vital edge to an attack. I only commented on it because it was obvious against Argentina that the 'Total Rugby' tactic was being employed. I'm not saying it is a bad tactic, just that against New Zealand I don't think it will work. We have superior forward power to them so why not use that? If McCaw is being thrown about by any of our tight 5 then he isnt going to be able to poach as much ball as if our backs are hitting rucks.
With the exception of BOD who hits rucks as hard as any forward-keep an eye out for him doing it in NZ.
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Rainy
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(Original post by an Siarach)
Hmm i honestly couldnt seperate them in this department. Both give their all ever time
Not really. Gerrard plays box-to-box, and makes far more runs with the ball than Lampard does. I'd say he does off the ball as well.

(Original post by an Siarach)
No competition here really.
You'd be surprised at the statistics. Gerrard's scored 13 goals this season, to Lampard's 19 - but in 15 less matches. Funnily enough, they've both scored 41 goals each in their careers, even though Lampard has played 130 more competitive games than Gerrard!

(Original post by an Siarach)
No way! Gerrard has excellent technique while Lampards has never been his strongest point.
Maybe. I couldn't let Gerrard win in every department now could I?
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(Original post by Raindance)
Not really. Gerrard plays box-to-box, and makes far more runs with the ball than Lampard does. I'd say he does off the ball as well.
Fair enough.
You'd be surprised at the statistics. Gerrard's scored 13 goals this season, to Lampard's 19 - but in 15 less matches. Funnily enough, they've both scored 41 goals each in their careers, even though Lampard has played 130 more competitive games than Gerrard!
Those certainly are interseting stats although in fairness to Lampard its only over the last two seasons that he has matured into the player he is.
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(Original post by an Siarach)
Those certainly are interseting stats although in fairness to Lampard its only over the last two seasons that he has matured into the player he is.
He's a late learner then... he's almost 27! :eek: :p:
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(Original post by Raindance)
He's a late learner then... he's almost 27! :eek: :p:
That he is. I dont think anyone will deny he was a very average player until the revealation of the past two - three seasons. Remember the disbelief of pretty much everyone when Chelsea spent £11 million on him in the first place?
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(Original post by an Siarach)
That he is. I dont think anyone will deny he was a very average player until the revealation of the past two - three seasons. Remember the disbelief of pretty much everyone when Chelsea spent £11 million on him in the first place?
I don't know. I think in those last couple of seasons of West Ham he started to shine... :confused:
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(Original post by Raindance)
I don't know. I think in those last couple of seasons of West Ham he started to shine... :confused:
Not really. He was a talented enough player (he made his England debut while a Hammer) but nobody thought of him as being anything more than slightly above average. His status as a world class player is really a very recent thing.
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(Original post by Raindance)
Blasphemy! Roy Keane's past it. He's 33 now, and won't be able to play at top level for much more than another year. By his standards, this season's been relatively quiet, and he's not the player he used to be.



Not really. Scholes is more of a playmaker, who orchestrates the Manchester attack. Whereas Scholes looks to hold the ball and play attackers in, Lampard is generally the final move of the phase.
He's (madman Keane) has had a quiet season because of his age but his performances have still been top notch. He gave Gerrard a lesson at Anfield and Vieira was no where to be seen when they played them at Highbury. He is a true captain, a warrior on the field. I dont like him but admire him hugely as a footballer and players like Gerrard and Lampard would be happy if they become a fraction of the player Roy Keane is/was (well, they already are but you get my point ). I can barely remember a few games where Gerrard (or Lampard) have dominated games by themselves. SG can be everywhere, right back one moment and upfront the next but he hasn't got the maturity or intellegence of Keane/Vieira/Alonso to dictate the pace of games himself. He can speed them up but not slow them down, which is a critical trait to have in the premiership. Like I said, I dont really like Keane as a person but oh what could have been if Souness had snapped him up instead of Ferguson all those years ago. I think Roy Evans' side of ~1996 would've won the league if it had a player like Keane.

re Scholes, I disagree. His passing, vision and ability to arrive late into the box is extremely similar to Lampard's (or should it be the other way round?). Scholes is a better player but I'd say Lampard is closer to Scholes than he is to Gerrard in terms of the type of player he is.
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i think that lamps has improved alot and has vision and all that bs....plus he has good shootin from long range......but when gerrard does get forward he has a rocket on him too
gerrard lifts his team when their down---------more captain like.....gerrard is a better defensive person
i thnk both can play for england together really well......
gerrard stays back but goes forward aswell
and lamps more the offensive player.......
overall GERRARD JUS NICKS 1ST PLACE FOR ME
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(Original post by an Siarach)
Not really. He was a talented enough player (he made his England debut while a Hammer) but nobody thought of him as being anything more than slightly above average. His status as a world class player is really a very recent thing.
In which case Ranieri deserves far more credit than he got! Then again, Ranieri did make quite a few intelligent signings for them. Anyway, we're moving off topic!

Gerrard > Lampard.

All better! :p:
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(Original post by kpg)
He's (madman Keane) has had a quiet season because of his age but his performances have still been top notch. He gave Gerrard a lesson at Anfield and Vieira was no where to be seen when they played them at Highbury. He is a true captain, a warrior on the field. I dont like him but admire him hugely as a footballer and players like Gerrard and Lampard would be happy if they become a fraction of the player Roy Keane is/was (well, they already are but you get my point ). I can barely remember a few games where Gerrard (or Lampard) have dominated games by themselves. SG can be everywhere, right back one moment and upfront the next but he hasn't got the maturity or intellegence of Keane/Vieira/Alonso to dictate the pace of games himself. He can speed them up but not slow them down, which is a critical trait to have in the premiership. Like I said, I dont really like Keane as a person but oh what could have been if Souness had snapped him up instead of Ferguson all those years ago. I think Roy Evans' side of ~1996 would've won the league if it had a player like Keane.
Yeh, I can see what you're getting up now. Good thing we have Alonso in our team as the intelligent/creative foil to Gerrard's energy. I think it's still important for us to have a DM to sit back, protect the back 4, and do Didi's job basically. Gerrard hasn't got the discipline for this, and we can't sacrifice his attacking abilities. At the same time, Alonso isn't built to be a DM. His place is camped just over the half way line, for his passing and vision to orchestrate our attacks. With Didi behind him, he can also bomb forward and make some runs, as we've seen that he has a pretty fierce shot on him as well. Maybe it's Alonso who needs to learn from Keane just as much, or possibly more, than Gerrard?

(Original post by kpg)
re Scholes, I disagree. His passing, vision and ability to arrive late into the box is extremely similar to Lampard's (or should it be the other way round?). Scholes is a better player but I'd say Lampard is closer to Scholes than he is to Gerrard in terms of the type of player he is.
I'm still not sure about that. I do think that Gerrard becomes a very similar player to Lampard when he's got license to attack. But I do see your point. Lampard likes to receive the ball and do something with it. Gerrard wants to pick up the ball, and take it with him before distributing/having a crack.


That brings us on to another question: who would you prefer to have in your team?


EDIT: o0o, Gerrard's in the lead!
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(Original post by Raindance)
In which case Ranieri deserves far more credit than he got! Then again, Ranieri did make quite a few intelligent signings for them.
He signed: Makalele, Cech, Robben, Duff, Hasselbaink, Gudjohnsen...
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(Original post by NDGAARONDI)
He signed: Makalele, Cech, Robben, Duff, Hasselbaink, Gudjohnsen...
U think he'll be back any time soon?

Speaking of chelsea and liverpool, lamps and SG, check out the chelsea liverpool story on http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/
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(Original post by NDGAARONDI)
He signed: Makalele, Cech, Robben, Duff, Hasselbaink, Gudjohnsen...
Vialli signed the last two :p: .
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(Original post by an Siarach)
Vialli signed the last two :p: .
Ooops. Nevermind. Ranieri has a better knack at signing great players than Mourinho from what I've noticed at Chelsea. Mind you, Chris Sutton was a right flop.
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