The unpatriotism of TSR is astounding

All those examples of Britain's achievements are from the past - yet you then make your argument by asking us to compare Britain to Iraq, presumably in the modern day.

I posted a thread before and people actually said, I kid you not, that it is silly to be proud of your country.

Perhaps it is this attitude that is dragging Britain slowly down world rankings. I think the reason America is the world's only remaining superpower (I have US citizenship on my mother's side) is because of the fierce patriotism shown by its countrymen. Unlike here where people act as though flying a flag is supporting the BNP.

Oh I don't know, the fact that MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of British men and women have died to keep this country free from oppresive outside forces like the Nazis, the fact that the British played a huge part in helping to abolish slavery, the fact that our ancestors have built a country with now provides us with one of the highest standards of living in the world?

Yes, there are bad parts, but everything is relative. Compare Britain to Iraq and you'll start to see where I'm coming from.

Honestly, if you these things don't make you at least slightly proud to be British, then you truly are a disgusting individual.

China is just as dependent on the United States as the latter is on the former.

Including the one about having a high standard of living compared to the vast majority of other countries? I'll mention some more if you like - the fact that we have a democracy, and not an insane oppressive theocracy. In Britain, we have the freedom to practise any religion we want, in the Middle East, you are either a Muslim or you are stoned to death. Likewise, women there are treated as second class citizens. I could go on, but I don’t want to bore you with things you already know.



No point here to respond to, just ad hominems: "educate yourself a bit", "ignorant choice".



Fair enough.

Population, economic might, cultural influence, military prowess and etc.



While possession of nuclear weapons affords countries a certain degree of clout, they do not, by themselves, render a country a superpower. For example, Brazil does not possess nuclear weapons, but only a imbecile would claim that Pakistan is more powerful than Brazil merely because the former possess nuclear weapons.

Secondly, whether Russia has more nuclear weapons than the United States is irrelevant. The important question is this: does the United States possess a sufficient number of nuclear weapons and the capability to strike Russian territory? If so, it doesn't matter if the Russian Federation has a couple of more nuclear weapons than the United States. To give you an analogy, if you and I are standing next to each other and we each have a gun in other hands, it doesn't really matter that you have six bullets and I have four.



The United States would not have made a military intervention in that conflict even if it wasn't between Russia and Georgia, but between Turkmenistan and Georgia. You must understand that the United States is not the guardian of the world that's going to go around rescuing other countries. While I don't doubt that the US would have probably been more strict if a less powerful country had invaded Georgia, I am pretty confident that it would not have intervened military whoever the adversaries.



China is just as dependent on the United States as the latter is on the former.

Yes, exactly - it's actually an extremely selfish thing to say, as if "Only the things that I do are worth caring about".

Not only that but remeber we kinda started aqnd greatky profited from slavery(african).

Not only that but remeber we kinda started aqnd greatky profited from slavery(african).

That's not true at all - the Romans had slaves from Africa more than a millenium before medieval Europe did.

I can't really argue a lot with the things you said even though i still consider the world to be multi polarised.

However i think the dependency will shift in chinas favour very soon if it is not already there.

But this still doesn't tell me why I should be patriotic.

Patriotism is love of and/or devotion to one's country
I'm not trying to tell you to be patriotic. But playing hockey for my country shows my devotion, and the feeling of being called out to be in the final squad is just amazing.
I'm not very good at explaining
but you must support your country at different events and stuff...

Death for one's country is the most patriotic act imaginable?

Suicide bombers must be outstanding patriots.

How is it 'educated' to understand the meaning of a very basic English word? Tbh if you don't know that you are pretty ******* stupid, as seems to be the case with alot of people itt. Or posibly they are ignoring the orginal intent of the op because they don't like what he is saying.

and how SH*T would that be?
no football world cup, no olympics, no common wealth, no winter olympics, no wimbeldon....

Britain did not start the slavery of Africans. This has been going on for millennia in trade markets in the middle east using imported Africans. As late as the 1500s there were North African slavers operating off Islands surrounding Britain to capture British people for African slave markets. 20,000 from Lumly island alone. The Portugese were the main Europeans involved in slavery. Any role Britain had in slavery is more then balanced by our role in being at the front of abolishing it. Without Britain's power it's very likely wide-spread slavery could of persisted as late as the 20th century among European powers with no exaggeration. Remember the American civil war didn't finish till 1865 - that's just slaves in the South of USA.

I find it deeply frustrating when Britain is criticised for slavery - we did more then any nation on earth to end it, starting wars - attacking plantations the royal navy came across etc. It is very very deeply frustrating and usually betrays a superficial understanding of history.

I agree, but students have always been traditionally lefties. They havent seen enough of the world, or know enough of our history to be proud of what we have left. Some of it is becoming a joke.

Yes, it is becoming multi-polarised - which is a good thing, in my opinion - however, I think it is safe to say that the United States is still the, albeit weakening, dominant power in the world.



You are right, the tide is certainly turning in favour of China, however, China will not become a dominant power in the way that the United States has been over the past twenty years for at least another half a century.

Furthermore, I think the future is not set in stone for China. There are many issues eg democracy, the rise of individualism, ethnic and religious divisions and so on, which almost certainly will cause much headache for the Chinese regime in the coming years and decades.