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    i am doing OCR relgion and philosophy

    and my HW is to do two anaylse questions [10mark]

    1) Critically examine platos thoery of forms

    i have all the critisism/weaknessess, but i cant really find any strengths
    so i cant start my essay up
    how do i write out the strengths to counter my weakness'es



    help please?
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    There are strengths, in that forms or ideas can possess a more profound and reaching reality than material objects that we can touch and see. Mathematics for example, is a system common to theoretically any universe, and as such has a reality transcending the small world we know. Ideas in mathematics such as the Fibonacci Sequence would be present in any universe and understandable to the inhabitants there provided their minds were sufficiently advanced, whereas in contrast other ideas for example theories about psychology have no underlying root in reality that extends past our own species.
    Mathemetician and physicist Roger Penrose is a contemporary supporter of Plato's theory of Forms, and mentions it in some of his books. The weakness of the theory of Forms comes when it is used in relation to things which do not have a necessary and immutable form, an example used would be that "dogs are made in the form of the dog, and are possessing of dogness", of course there is not fixed notion of what a dog should look like, and it is not a universally fixed idea.
    Another problem is that it would be easy to understand the theory of Forms as meaning there was an actual physical dimension in which all these forms exist, whereas the dimension is purely intellectual and has no grounding in physical reality.
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    Well one strength is the fact that we all have a innate knowledge of justice etc. like for example everyone seems to have an idea of justice inside them, even if it is not exactly the same for everyone, but this shows it must have come from somewhere such as what plato's says with his forms and how our souls remember roughly what the forms are like.


    Also because we always seem to strive for perfection, we are always trying to make things better etc. which shows as if there is an idea of perfection from somewhere that we are striving to copy (as if we have a rough knowledge of the perfect form of each form).

    Cant remember anything else, hope they help.
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    (Original post by Xenopus)
    There are strengths, in that forms or ideas can possess a more profound and reaching reality than material objects that we can touch and see. Mathematics for example, is a system common to theoretically any universe, and as such has a reality transcending the small world we know. Ideas in mathematics such as the Fibonacci Sequence would be present in any universe and understandable to the inhabitants there provided their minds were sufficiently advanced, whereas in contrast other ideas for example theories about psychology have no underlying root in reality that extends past our own species.
    Mathemetician and physicist Roger Penrose is a contemporary supporter of Plato's theory of Forms, and mentions it in some of his books. The weakness of the theory of Forms comes when it is used in relation to things which do not have a necessary and immutable form, an example used would be that "dogs are made in the form of the dog, and are possessing of dogness", of course there is not fixed notion of what a dog should look like, and it is not a universally fixed idea.
    Another problem is that it would be easy to understand the theory of Forms as meaning there was an actual physical dimension in which all these forms exist, whereas the dimension is purely intellectual and has no grounding in physical reality.

    so overall strength:
    how forms are the ideas much more reflective compared to the onees in the 'real world'?
    thanks!


    and so yes can i counter that with the third man argument
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    (Original post by Antipannenkoek)
    Well one strength is the fact that we all have a innate knowledge of justice etc. like for example everyone seems to have an idea of justice inside them, even if it is not exactly the same for everyone, but this shows it must have come from somewhere such as what plato's says with his forms and how our souls remember roughly what the forms are like.


    Also because we always seem to strive for perfection, we are always trying to make things better etc. which shows as if there is an idea of perfection from somewhere that we are striving to copy (as if we have a rough knowledge of the perfect form of each form).

    Cant remember anything else, hope they help.
    oh yes i remeber doing this!
    yea thanks i just needed to understand how to right it and start it up, and i think i can link the first strenth with the weakness-of extreme concepts how though through recollection we know there is concepts but there shouldnt be a concept of bad traits e.g jelousy


    THANK YOU!
 
 
 

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