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    (Original post by Pepaim)
    Tony Benn rocks, i just hope im as principled as him when im 80! I have picture of me and the best brit socialist on my wall!
    You know he drinks a pint of tea every hour? That man is my idol.
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    In the end, although what she did was harsh, she broke once and for all the power of the trade unions so that they no longer have a big say in the running of the country and her policies saved our economies from going to the wall like France and Germany's economies today, so I would say that her reforms were a good thing.
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    anyone who took on some screaming nancies in the mining unions and showed them who was boss did just fine in my opinion.

    it would have been more stupid to back down and continue pouring money into unviable enterprises.
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    (Original post by Madelyn)
    You know he drinks a pint of tea every hour? That man is my idol.
    u shud write to him, im sure hed reply!

    www.tonybenn.com

    Its currently unavailable tho.
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    anyone who took on some screaming nancies in the mining unions and showed them who was boss did just fine in my opinion.

    it would have been more stupid to back down and continue pouring money into unviable enterprises.
    People with this attitude really annoy me. Instead of phasing out mining and giving good job opportunities for mining communities (as they successfully did in France) Thatcher wanted to DESTROY miners their unions and their socialism. They were fighting for the very reason of their existence. That's why class traitors who went to work are still looked upon with scorn.
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    Basically I voted to bring back Tony Benn, simply because he is a great guy! As for the TUC - isn't it still around?

    Overall though I have mixed opinions about Thatcher, a fair bit of what she did probably did have good outcomes in the long term for the economy, I agree in principle that it would have been pointles to continue subsidising an uneconomic industry. However, the way she went about it could have been different as was probably influenced by her own prejudices - Thatcher had a contempt for organised labour that would have made any 19th Century Mill owner proud. Also, a lot of her economics was fatally flawed and/or wrong according to my phillosophy of life.
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    Thatcherism was about keeping the working class unemployed and downtrodden so they would become further disillusioned with the political system and not voet, keeping her in power for ever!
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    (Original post by Pepaim)
    Thatcherism was about keeping the working class unemployed and downtrodden so they would become further disillusioned with the political system and not voet, keeping her in power for ever!
    yes, dear. <pats head>
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    (Original post by Pepaim)
    Thatcherism was about keeping the working class unemployed and downtrodden so they would become further disillusioned with the political system and not voet, keeping her in power for ever!

    This is the type of nutty attitude which kept labour out of government for 18 years. No wonder no one takes left wingers seriously with such stupid comments.
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    Instead of phasing out mining and giving good job opportunities for mining communities (as they successfully did in France) Thatcher wanted to DESTROY miners their unions and their socialism. They were fighting for the very reason of their existence. That's why class traitors who went to work are still looked upon with scorn.
    Do you really think anyone planned on phasing out mining? It was the backbone of British socialism. Sort of like a protection racket: You keep your pointless but romantic 19th century, health-destroying jobs and we'll (through another protection racket - strikes and taxes) subsidise it! It gave the rich, public school-educated champaign socialists who made all the decisions a reason to live, even thought they would never actually consider doing a days real work themselves in their lives.

    I wonder what the anti-Thatcherites would have preferred she do about the Falklands. Give in to foreign conquest? (Most others would have)
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    (Original post by JonD)
    I wonder what the anti-Thatcherites would have preferred she do about the Falklands. Give in to foreign conquest? (Most others would have)
    That was her defining moment for me, what that did for national pride was immeasurable.

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    any links to what the opposition parties were saying at the time of the falklands invasion - not challenging your comments - genuinely dont know
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    According to the Guardian:

    "Opposition to the war in Britain was muted, despite the fact that the Labour party was led by an instinctive pacifist, Michael Foot. The British public were largely ignorant of the islands' existence. In the largest rebellion, 33 Labour MPs voted against the whip to register their disapproval of the government's stance."
    http://politics.guardian.co.uk/forei...874765,00.html

    But who knows what Labour would have done. Though, even to this day half the back-benchers would love to ditch Gibraltar, Northern Ireland and other "Imperialist" relics - if the electorate wouldn't hang them for it.
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    Thanks JonD, true to say that we don't know what a Labour government would have done. I'm not exactly a pacifist, at least where defence of our own territory is concerned, but I hardly think that Maggie's conduct over the Falklands vindicates everything else that she did...
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    (Original post by Northumbrian)
    People with this attitude really annoy me. Instead of phasing out mining and giving good job opportunities for mining communities (as they successfully did in France) Thatcher wanted to DESTROY miners their unions and their socialism. They were fighting for the very reason of their existence. That's why class traitors who went to work are still looked upon with scorn.
    no, what we had was arthur and his cronies thinking they ran the country. they were educated.

    funny you should mention france. they like striking.
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    Thatcherism was about keeping the working class unemployed and downtrodden so they would become further disillusioned with the political system and not voet, keeping her in power for ever!
    Agreed. Blairism seems the same but more complex.

    Do you really think anyone planned on phasing out mining?
    No, but if a compassionate government had suggested it with a decent package, there would not have been problems to the same scale.

    no, what we had was arthur and his cronies thinking they ran the country.
    Most miners fully supported Scargill

    I wonder what the anti-Thatcherites would have preferred she do about the Falklands. Give in to foreign conquest?
    I wouldn't have gone in all guns blazing, willing for 1000 young men to die.
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    (Original post by objectivism)
    This is the type of nutty attitude which kept labour out of government for 18 years. No wonder no one takes left wingers seriously with such stupid comments.
    Wouldn't call it nutty exactly,just over simplified! Thatcherism is what has kept you out of pwer and will continue to do so, 15 yrs after she left office, ppl still see the Torys as out of touch and uncaring, what a legacy!
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    (Original post by Northumbrian)
    Most miners fully supported Scargill
    but most of the country didnt give a *****.

    (Original post by Northumbrian)
    I wouldn't have gone in all guns blazing, willing for 1000 young men to die
    fewer than 250 british personnel died.
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    (Original post by Pepaim)
    Wouldn't call it nutty exactly,just over simplified! Thatcherism is what has kept you out of pwer and will continue to do so, 15 yrs after she left office, ppl still see the Torys as out of touch and uncaring, what a legacy!
    Did it? How would you explain John Major being the PM then?
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    (Original post by Madelyn)
    You know he drinks a pint of tea every hour? That man is my idol.
    Ya get me -Tony Benn is the man!
 
 
 
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