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    Thanks for the answer Mr. God. I'll be sure to ask for your permission to move my TV.
    Economic regulation ≠ Social/political regulation
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    I don't know too many liberal young people. Most are socialists. They all want the government to do x or y, instead of allowing people the freedom to do whatever they want.
    I've got no problem with that view... I was just wondering whether 'andy' meant liberal or left-wing, or a combination of the two, when he wrote such an unclear first post :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Speleo)
    Economic regulation ≠ Social/political regulation
    The former inevitably leads to the latter.
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    Workers rarely live on council estates, but if the company didn't make profits, maybe the workers will suddenyl become jobless, and live in a council estate.

    Evidently, left wingers never look at the bigger picture...
    Bigger picture = the shareholders' point of view, I assume.
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    (Original post by Northumbrian)
    The reason people go from left to right is because they know which side their bread is buttered. They sell themselves for a job in the cabinet. The likes of Hodge and Mandleson.
    Yeah, and you're only anti-war because your crappy Islamofascism is so rubbish at fighting the superior Christendom; you're only into wealth redistribution because your ethnic minority is poorer than the majority who you want to rob. :rolleyes:

    We could take Peter Hitchens for example, who as a correspondent during the Cold War had chance to actually compare Communism to Capitalism in a way that most naive student marxist-Feminists never will; he saw the abominable human rights, the Soviet tanks rolling towards protesters.. Or Melanie Philips who abandoned the left after years of studying "progressive" educationist policies while working for the Guardian, and decided they do far more harm than good.

    They all have their own little stories.
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    (Original post by skevvybritt)
    I've got no problem with that view... I was just wondering whether 'andy' meant liberal or left-wing, or a combination of the two, when he wrote such an unclear first post :rolleyes:
    Ever since Lib Dems hijacked the term "liberal", people have been associating left wing politics with liberalism.
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    The former inevitably leads to the latter.
    In the past it might have, but that doesn't mean that it has to.
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    (Original post by Speleo)
    In the past it might have, but that doesn't mean that it has to.
    Yes, it does. You cannot give the government total control over the economy and expect it not to use that power in the social realm.
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    Its a natural process. People tend to get richer as they get older, and they suddenly realise that no they don't want to give 90% to the state to spend on things to satisty the government's ego, so they turn to the centre right to protect their interests. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but things tend to turn out that by the time you are on the verge of retiring and have a nice well paid job you have voted Conservative at the last election.
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    (Original post by beekeeper_)
    Workers rarely live on council estates, but if the company didn't make profits, maybe the workers will suddenyl become jobless, and live in a council estate.
    Evidently, left wingers never look at the bigger picture...
    How has the amount of profit a company makes got anything to do with how much the CEO earns in comparison to the workers?
    Yes, the company needs to make profit (or at least not accumulate debt) to survive, however the way pay is spread around the company doesn't affect this.
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    (Original post by andyukguy)
    No not at all, I still thing my original points hold true however. Granted there are always exceptions to the rule

    Andrew
    In all seriousness I agree with you. I do think you have a point.

    Just from personal experience, I've known people who started out left-wing and then had a turn around. (over a long period of time, though).
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    Yes, it does. You cannot give the government total control over the economy and expect it not to use that power in the social realm.
    You're assuming a system of government similar to what we have now, 'big government' etc.
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    when you own a business some times you dont have the choice but to lay people of.

    people don't get greedy. they get realistic. if you don't seriously look out for your self who will? cause i doubt all the employees will say oohh im sorry the business is going down hill don't worry we will lend you some of our wages till its back up...
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    (Original post by skevvybritt)
    How has the amount of profit a company makes got anything to do with how much the CEO earns in comparison to the workers?
    Yes, the company needs to make profit (or at least not accumulate debt) to survive, however the way pay is spread around the company doesn't affect this.
    Supply and demand. The supply of quality CEO's relative to the demand for quality CEOs is much lower than the supply of normal workers relative to the demand for those workers.
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Ever since Lib Dems hijacked the term "liberal", people have been associating left wing politics with liberalism.
    I don't deny that either... I was just wondering which he meant, in the true sense of the terms. Why are we arguing? I just needed to clarify the question.
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    (Original post by skevvybritt)
    I've got no problem with that view... I was just wondering whether 'andy' meant liberal or left-wing, or a combination of the two, when he wrote such an unclear first post :rolleyes:
    I'm sorry if my first post was unclear, it seems most people got the gist and weren't trying to be too pedantic and answer my question(s) instead

    Andrew
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    (Original post by Speleo)
    You're assuming a system of government similar to what we have now, 'big government' etc.
    A government that's responsible for most of the spending in the economy is by definition "big".
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    (Original post by andyukguy)
    I'm sorry if my first post was unclear, it seems most people got the gist and weren't trying to be too pedantic and answer my question(s) instead
    Sorry, so which is it? I'm genuinely interested in the point that you're trying to make, however if it isn't clear then I can even begin to.
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    A government that's responsible for most of the spending in the economy is by definition "big".
    Power would be limited by smaller councils who then vote for the national changes.
    But to be honest there aren't that many issues that need a national vote.
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    (Original post by Speleo)
    Power would be limited by smaller councils who then vote for the national changes.
    But to be honest there aren't that many issues that need a national vote.
    All that would do is give the local government vast powers, which it would then abuse.
 
 
 
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