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    (Original post by JonD)
    I regard the Welfare State as a Labour party acheivement; not a Socialist achievement. The US has a Welfare State, yet has never had a powerful socialist movement. The evil imperialist Bismarck created Social Insurance. Liberals and Utilitiarians thought about it before Marx was born.

    Most of the "true" Socialists I know regard the Welfare State with disdain: to them, it's a Capitalist trick. The Capitalists look after the workers a little bit better, which fools the workers into accepting the wage-slavery system.
    The welfare state in Britain was actually brought about by the conservatives (Disraeli if I'm not greatly mistaken), and a key of onenation/paternalistic conservatism is the welfare state/safety net. In fact, early classical Liberals such as Gladstone actually opposed the welfare state.

    You're absolutely spot on, Jon.
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    Amazing how many people have the hammer and sickle for an avatar, as it was amazing to see 66% of the forum supports free markets and low taxation.
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    (Original post by Vienna)
    Amazing how many people have the hammer and sickle for an avatar, as it was amazing to see 66% of the forum supports free markets and low taxation.
    quite.

    a few clowns bouncing around with palestine for their flags too. even saw one with kyrgystan earlier.
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    (Original post by technik)
    quite.

    a few clowns bouncing around with palestine for their flags too. even saw one with kyrgystan earlier.
    Haha, those crazy kids.
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    (Original post by Vienna)
    Haha, those crazy kids.
    im waiting for someone to use the uzbek one and have "FREE TASHKENT" as their usertitle or signature.
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    I saw a few with a French flag also. Quite brave considering the whole Rebate thing going one right now.
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    (Original post by Vienna)
    Amazing how many people have the hammer and sickle for an avatar, as it was amazing to see 66% of the forum supports free markets and low taxation.
    the hammer and sickle is deliberately back to piss off all you rightwing scum that have infested TSR :p:
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    Should we all display a swastika to piss of you lefties?
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    (Original post by zaf1986)
    the hammer and sickle is deliberately back to piss off all you rightwing scum that have infested TSR :p:
    Why would undermining your own contribution, 'piss me off'?
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    (Original post by zaf1986)
    the hammer and sickle is deliberately back to piss off all you rightwing scum that have infested TSR :p:
    is your first name Iosif?

    i suggest you visit the remaining commie countries. they are all very prosperous...lol
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    (Original post by TheVlad)
    Should we all display a swastika to piss of you lefties?
    Feel free to do so, it doesn't bother me.

    Why would undermining your own contribution, 'piss me off'?
    Apparently you had a problem with people having the hammer and sickle in their avator so it is working

    is your first name Iosif?

    erm....no lol

    i suggest you visit the remaining commie countries. they are all very prosperous...lol
    I'm not commie.
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    (Original post by technik)
    quite.

    a few clowns bouncing around with palestine for their flags too. even saw one with kyrgystan earlier.
    Oh yeah, cos they are pwnd by isreal lollzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!

    ''what kind of a loser would have a palestinian flag.''

    so what does the flag denote to you then?
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    (Original post by technik)
    socialism kept him in the mine, kept him poor, and eventually culled him.
    Explain.
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    (Original post by zaf1986)
    Apparently you had a problem with people having the hammer and sickle in their avator so it is working
    No, I found it amusing that people changed their political associations with the wind, irrespective of ideology or personal conviction in the hope of gaining some kind of image.
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    Oh yeah, cos they are pwnd by isreal lollzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!
    indeed. i know it pains you so.

    (Original post by shadowkin)
    ''what kind of a loser would have a palestinian flag.''
    who said that?

    (Original post by shadowkin)
    so what does the flag denote to you then?
    what does the flag mean to me? nothing. its a flag of a "region". the interesting bit for me is all the teeny brigade round here displaying it. its funny. even more funny would be watching them trying to point out where "palestine" is on the map.
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    Oh yeah, cos they are pwnd by isreal lollzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!

    ''what kind of a loser would have a palestinian flag.''

    so what does the flag denote to you then?
    Terrorism?
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    (Original post by inequality)
    Explain.
    read post 1. it actually explains it quite well.
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    (Original post by technik)
    indeed. i know it pains you so.
    HARHAR.


    who said that?
    I was saying, what you meant to say, in clearer terms for everyone.


    what does the flag mean to me? nothing. its a flag of a "region". the interesting bit for me is all the teeny brigade round here displaying it. its funny.
    it obviously carries some kind of meaning to you then...if there is some sort of 'taboo'/whimsical thing surrounding having it.
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    (Original post by Vienna)
    No, I found it amusing that people changed their political associations with the wind, irrespective of ideology or personal conviction in the hope of gaining some kind of image.
    I find it amusing that you have seem to think that you have the authority of deciding what people's political associations are, what ideology is and what "some kind of image" means. As far as I know, I'm perfectly entitled to have a hammer and sickle avator for no particular reason, and does not necessarily mean I am a supporter of the former USSR, or communist or even socialist. You assume too much.
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    (Original post by Vienna)
    Terrorism?
    so everyone in palestine is now a terrorist?
 
 
 
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