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    i said it was made by a official body while source c was from an american only talking about the east side while B was investigation report whick was asked to do by the liberals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    i mentioned that as well
    i used both opinions to the argument but concluded eventually that this was more important.
    both argument could be considered correct i think (i hope)
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    i said that source B was more trustworthy as it was a report (combination of evidence) whereas source C was just one persons opinion
    had to restrain myself from saying all americans are liars!!!
    Thanks for that. I've ****ed up then, badly, on that one. Oops...ran away with myself, basically I think I misread the question. What you point sounds right to be honest.

    I rambled ****. I said that it was produced for the Liberal Government, well at their request anyway, and thus, it's purpose was to gain support for the Liberal reforms ie. the Liberals wanted to gather evidence which would incite the people to support their reforms. This, I said was an ulterior motive or some crap, and that it made the source a bit biased! (WTF?!). I rambled crap. I said that the source didn't actually mention any specifics, or details, of poverty. Um, what else. Oh yeah, I said that it appealed to people, the Liberals might use it in gaining support for their reforms because it made it sound as if the people living in poverty were a danger to them, damaging their cause, and thus by relieving poverty, the danger to the ordinary people would be averted. This was a way it was appealing and persuasive, or would be used in such a way. ("Damaging and dangerous....to the prosperity...of whole country"). I thought that if people were worried about their own fate, they'd also want to help poverty...blah. I said summit about "possibly" being the own fault, something like it didn't place all the blame on the poor for being poor, which had previously been the case (the idea of self-help), but that it didn't isolate the opinions of the rich and middle classes, and didn't make them feel like they hadn't earned, or didn't deserve, their money. So I chatted **** about it being trustworthy on the one hand because it seemed like a detailed report, throught etc, but not so trustworthy because it was used to gain support for the Liberal reforms, and didn't go into too much detail.

    For the American dude, I said he was less involved and thus should have had a more neutral, unbiased opinion. I also said though, that he was a visitor, didn't know the full extent of poverty, or the reforms etc, and thus wasn't exactly 100% reliable as he didn'y live here and wasn't all that intergrated with it...blah...But I said I found him slightly more reliable!! Because he was American, therefore less biased, and he included specific details which I knew to be true, due to my own knowledge. For example, I knew that the "not grown properly" thing was true, due to the Boer War (1189-1902), when 50% of all volunteers were deemed not fit enough to join the army due to malnutrition. So I said that it definitely included things that were proven to be true, and this made it trustworthy. Although I said we should be careful, because I detected a tone of resentment towards Britain in general, and this should be taken into consideration, incase it dented the accuracy of his accounts....

    ****.
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    i also said that the american exaggerated showing him to be less trustworthy
    he said that it was the filthiest country in Europe (id oubted he had visited all european countries)
    that sounded just as good if not better reasoning zhivago
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    That's a really good point actually. Crap.
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    noo!!, source B is against the liberals, it's saying that people being poor were their own fault so liberals shouldn't interfere:
    1905 Royal Commission into the Poor Law couldn’t agree on the causes of poverty and so published two reports. The Majority Report still said it was the poor’s own fault they were poor and so didn’t deserve help (lazy and drunk) but The Minority Report showed it was old age, illness and lack of jobs that made people poor and this influenced the Liberals and Labour.

    while source C was neutral, and it is saying that people are filthy and the government is not helping
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    your still get good marks zhivago as you gave an opinion and said why
    how much does this paper go towards our final grade
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    Well I haven't studied exactly what you're on about! (lol). We didn't study any of the "Minority"/"Majority" report stuff, but how exactly was it against the Liberals. It didn't imply that the Liberals were crap, and if said board were against the Liberals then why on earth would the Liberals, knowing this, ask them to publish a report for them? It said people were poor "possibly because of their own failures; this is not completely "blaming the poor", because it's only a possibility. Although you seem to know a lot on these reports, which I've never covered!
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    your still get good marks zhivago as you gave an opinion and said why
    how much does this paper go towards our final grade
    Cheers. *crosses fingers*.

    Erm, I think it's split the same as Geography. So that Paper 1 is worth slightly more (around 5%/10%). I think. ie. Coursework is like 20%, Paper 1 is like 45%, and Paper 2 is like 35%, I think.
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    thank god it's only 30%, but i messed up my coursework cos i did it overnight and never knew it counts for 25%, i thought it would be more like 5% lol. does anyone know what you need to get for an A* in your coursework?
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    w8 source B might be against liberals but why under the source did it say it was a report requested by the liberals

    im sure it wasnt agaisnt but it was an officiol body to tell the liberals the bad areas in the country so the liberals could improve them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    yeh, i picked up on the 'possiblity' as well, saying they don't actually have evidence, it's just their old view of laissez-faire. i can't really remember much but i think that the liberals asked the commission to do a report, they didn't ask for the to be published, they are argueing from the minority point of view. god i don't know, we never done anything in school and i was just reading through, cramming through rather, everything i could find yesterday after french lol
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    I fought is went pretty well. The last question i had to rush though. The hardest question for me was the source picture of that kinder garten girl. Really hate the fact that there was no suffrage stuff, spent ages revisin tht part and not as much on the reforms.

    But all in all it went good okishy
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    I thought the exam was generally quite easy - my least favourite question was 2., but that was still quite simple...

    Hoping for A*
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    i found the young girl question easier than the others..
    i just wrote it shows the division between the rich and the poor.
    rich children got everything handed on a plate to them while the poor ones had to work to help bring in an income for there familly
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    i did not learn about that majority and minority either
    glad that the p2 is worth less than p1
    also glad i tried hard on cousework and got an A*
    (cos' i knew the source work paper would be hard and i am not as good at it.)
    did you say for q4 that it was biased an unreliable as it was written by a labour mp, but was still useful as it showed the attitudes of the labour party at the time
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    did you say for q4 that it was biased an unreliable as it was written by a labour mp, but was still useful as it showed the attitudes of the labour party at the time
    :banghead: dam 4got
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    yeh, thats exactly what i said, that it was unreliable in finding out about whether the reform was a success as labour is the opponent so it's bound to criticize, but it was useful in knowing what other rival party thought of the reform and what they wanted to do, like changing to socialism
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    also in the speech by labour they said it wasnt doing the reforms werent doing eneough for workers this was a sign the labour wanted votes from the workers as they were the majoirity of the population!!!!!!!!!!
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    when comparing source b and c i said that source c is more reliable but only in describing the poverty. However it doesnt refers to the cause of it, whereas source b does refer to the cause of it, but it says poor are the ones to be to blame for their own poverty. This completely contradicts the historical knowledge, since booth and rowntree found that poor are forced in these conditions by other factors, such as industrial revolution and etc. Both sources argue about different points. Source B and C also show some similarity because they both suggest that poverty is very extreme and source B even calls it 'disgrace'
    P.S. there is no way that source B is reliable really, because from our knowledge we know that poor are not to blame for the poverty.
 
 
 
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