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    According to unison, a member of the British National Party should not be allowed to work in public bodies, this is partly due to the fact that the BNP have been winning council seats and UNISON want to stop BNP support
    (i.e scare people from joining a legal political party)

    Alan Jarman of the national lesbian and gay member’s committee told the floor that members need to be active to stop the spread of fascism.“We need to make sure the BNP do not get any more councillors in this country,” he told the floor.
    Apparantly Alan Jarman does not understand that in a true democracy all view points are valid, and by sacking people for being a member of a political party that you dont agree with, you are in fact being a fascist.
    http://www.unison.org.uk/news/news_view.asp?did=2078
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    Whoever said all view points are valid? According to the BNP this surely is not so. Anyway, works for me
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    (Original post by Chiron)
    Whoever said all view points are valid? According to the BNP this surely is not so. Anyway, works for me
    Whoever said all view points are valid
    In a true democracy all view points are valid
    to the BNP this surely is not so
    Yes it is, we would never ban people.
    Anyway, works for me
    So you belive in sacking BNP members from their place of work, well that one anti-democrate im sure your not alone.
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    (Original post by LC01)
    In a true democracy all view points are valid

    Yes it is, we would never ban people.

    So you belive in sacking BNP members from their place of work, well that one anti-democrate im sure your not alone.
    I'm anti democratic and proud In a true democracy you vote for your leaders and thereby participate in government, everything else is to make it look nice, therefore, there is nothing in demcoracy that says "all views are valid". Didn't you know I am a member of the BNP group myself...The Ban Nationalist Parties group. You would never ban people...I find that very hard to believe. That said, I do know a sikh member of the party.
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    Any group which marginalises members of the population or creates a disadvnatage for them should be dissovled. The BNP are not fit for governance-they should be a pressure group-no more-no less.
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    You can sit there and call me undemocratic all you want. I wouldn't want the BNP to be my councillor or MP.
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    (Original post by Divine89)
    Any group which marginalises members of the population or creates a disadvnatage for them should be dissovled. The BNP are not fit for governance-they should be a pressure group-no more-no less.
    You see in a democracy people vote for the party whos views they most agree with, if they agree with the BNPs views, then they have the right to vote for the BNP, you would deny them that right which makes it anti- democractic.
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    I don't agree with BNP policies, but this is a democracy and should be treated as such.
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    (Original post by Divine89)
    Any group which marginalises members of the population or creates a disadvnatage for them should be dissovled. The BNP are not fit for governance-they should be a pressure group-no more-no less.
    I believe Labour marginalises the white, middle class and arent fir for governance, shall be turn them into a pressure group?
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    (Original post by Vienna)
    I believe Labour marginalises the white, middle class and arent fir for governance, shall be turn them into a pressure group?
    Really :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by LC01)
    You see in a democracy people vote for the party whos views they most agree with, if they agree with the BNPs views, then they have the right to vote for the BNP, you would deny them that right which makes it anti- democractic.
    Fine then we are all undemocratic...but doesn't change the fact that you still can't get elected hehehe hahaha. Not even one seat in parliament. haha hahaha.
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    (Original post by LC01)
    According to unison, a member of the British National Party should not be allowed to work in public bodies, this is partly due to the fact that the BNP have been winning council seats and UNISON want to stop BNP support
    (i.e scare people from joining a legal political party)



    Apparantly Alan Jarman does not understand that in a true democracy all view points are valid, and by sacking people for being a member of a political party that you dont agree with, you are in fact being a fascist.
    http://www.unison.org.uk/news/news_view.asp?did=2078
    I always thought the HR Act made provision against discrimination on political grounds. I think Unison would benefit from getting their head out of their ass.
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    (Original post by Chiron)
    Fine then we are all undemocratic...but doesn't change the fact that you still can't get elected hehehe hahaha. Not even one seat in parliament. haha hahaha.
    You would not expect a party of our size to have a seat in parliment, it is kinda hard to do, we do improve in every single election though. Just look back at our 1997 results and compare them to the modern results.
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    (Original post by LC01)
    You would not expect a party of our size to have a seat in parliment, it is kinda hard to do, we do improve in every single election though. Just look back at our 1997 results and compare them to the modern results.
    I get the feeling not many people are interested in you. If you wanted your party to be taken seriously (whatever my suspicions about your agenda) you would have to radically change your image. You are just too oafish right now.
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    They attack other peoples beliefs, they offend with their words, they stand against minority groups, they stereotype those they do not understand. Why do anti-BNP individuals mirror the fascism they claim to be against?
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    Despite the fact that the BNP is generally an organisation of racist, xenophohic, politically incorect, nationalistic, prejudiced, intolerant, stereotyping, disciminating, aggressive, ignorant, uneducated and generally thoughtless ex or serving prisoners; they have every right to stand for government as the official monster raving loony party does in Britain's democracy
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    (Original post by Vienna)
    I believe Labour marginalises the white, middle class and arent fir for governance, shall be turn them into a pressure group?
    that was one damned fine reply, i must say. On another note, the BNP are drastically limited as a movement with an emphasis on far-right social policy simply because people who might othwerwise be temped to vote for them are intimidated by the name and the stigma attached to being a 'BNP voter'. And as the profoundly miserable authoritarian tory commentator peter hitchens observed in a special report at the weekend, many people would rather eat a raw hedgehog sandwich than vote tory again.

    Even if these parties, theoretically representing different strands of right-wing thought (admittedly the concept of thought does not seem to be of particularly high significance to the majority of the BNP and some of their more unfeasible or simply racialist policies) came up with superb, innovative or 'common sense' policies, remedials who care more about image and name would not vote for them simply because they call themselves British National Party or Conservatives. My friend, a fairly average middle-class simpleton, indicative of the great majority of the UK population, has profoundly right-wing views, and yet felt compelled to vote labour, the antithesis of virtually all his instincts and thoughts, simply because he did not want to be a 'tory boy' or 'BNP lover.' I think that this sums it up pretty well.

    We need a new right-wing party, with a new name and an emphasis upon 'nasty' social policy. One which will embrace both young and older men and women of right-wing political alignment. Not a bunch of racists with racialist theories, but people who do not want to see UK sovereingty undermined by influxes of muslims and their inherently expansionist religion, who also incidentally represent a threat to women (dont try and tell me they dont want to see sharia law implemented here, please. they do). Not with plans to make them all 'clean the filth from the streets' as a punishment, as cherished by the BNP, but with well thought-out alternatives. Anybody got any ideas for a name? (i realise that this is inviting liberal democrat idiots and 'britain forward not back' nit-wits to come up with 'witticisms,' but hey, what can you do?'

    Arranque xx
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    (Original post by arranque)
    that was one damned fine reply, i must say. On another note, the BNP are drastically limited as a movement with an emphasis on far-right social policy simply because people who might othwerwise be temped to vote for them are intimidated by the name and the stigma attached to being a 'BNP voter'. And as the profoundly miserable authoritarian tory commentator peter hitchens observed in a special report at the weekend, many people would rather eat a raw hedgehog sandwich than vote tory again.

    Even if these parties, theoretically representing different strands of right-wing thought (admittedly the concept of thought does not seem to be of particularly high significance to the majority of the BNP and some of their more unfeasible or simply racialist policies) came up with superb, innovative or 'common sense' policies, remedials who care more about image and name would not vote for them simply because they call themselves British National Party or Conservatives. My friend, a fairly average middle-class simpleton, indicative of the great majority of the UK population, has profoundly right-wing views, and yet felt compelled to vote labour, the antithesis of virtually all his instincts and thoughts, simply because he did not want to be a 'tory boy' or 'BNP lover.' I think that this sums it up pretty well.

    We need a new right-wing party, with a new name and an emphasis upon 'nasty' social policy. One which will embrace both young and older men and women of right-wing political alignment. Not a bunch of racists with racialist theories, but people who do not want to see UK sovereingty undermined by influxes of muslims and their inherently expansionist religion, who also incidentally represent a threat to women (dont try and tell me they dont want to see sharia law implemented here, please. they do). Not with plans to make them all 'clean the filth from the streets' as a punishment, as cherished by the BNP, but with well thought-out alternatives. Anybody got any ideas for a name? (i realise that this is inviting liberal democrat idiots and 'britain forward not back' nit-wits to come up with 'witticisms,' but hey, what can you do?'

    Arranque xx
    People's Party? I would still support the Conservative party until the end of my days though, assuming they don't become a carbon copy of New Labour.
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    I agree with HearTheThunder, I really really don't like the BNP but our society (although it isn't always) is supposed to be a society of free speech and expression and we can't censor or try and block what the BNP says. We can choose not to listen though.
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    (Original post by LC01)
    You see in a democracy people vote for the party whos views they most agree with, if they agree with the BNPs views, then they have the right to vote for the BNP, you would deny them that right which makes it anti- democractic.
    To prevent what happend in Germany? Sure...
 
 
 
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