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    (Original post by thebucketwoman)
    Even if UKIP had all voted BNP, Labour still won it.
    I realise that, but the fact that Liam Smith (labour) got his brother to stand for ukip AND labour got the lib-dems and greens to pull out, shows how scared the mainstream are. They have also done it in the next by-election, which we will also lose. But I really cant see the lib-dems pulling out of every seat in the councill elections next may, which means they will split your vote and the BNP will get at least 4 seats.
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    Lib dems don't get votes in B+D.

    If Libdem/Greens had stood and got the same vote they got last time, AND UKIP weren't in it, Labour still would've won last night.
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    (Original post by thebucketwoman)
    Lib dems don't get votes in B+D.

    If Libdem/Greens had stood and got the same vote they got last time, AND UKIP weren't in it, Labour still would've won last night.
    Probably, and you will win the next by-election. But the real battle will be next May, we got nearly 17% of the vote in the general election, we HAVE got support in B&D and I personally think we will win 4+ seats.
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    (Original post by LC01)
    Well I agree that the post did come from his site, and I agree with a lot that was said in that post,and I cant see anything "OVERTLY racist" in the post. I would also like you to explain what you mean by "regularly" this is the first time I have ever posted anything from his site. The only other sites I have pasted from(from what I can remember) are the BNP site and seanbryson.
    the post wasn't overtly racist, but he is.
    however, am now trying to remeber whether it ewas him you voiced support for last week, or sean bryson....
    may have got them mixed up...
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    (Original post by ArthurOliver)
    What is it that you fear?
    I think no matter how much you debate the realities of the BNP and the supposedly changing face of it the fact remains that the popular image that people hold of the party is that of racism, discrimination and extremism. It is therefore arguable that if a large enough number of people voted for the BNP to be elected the majority of them would be supposedly uninformed and basing their vote on the public image of the BNP rater than the "reality".

    Therefore on one level I am afraid that this Country will become so bigoted and ridiculous that it would vote a party they percieve to be like this. Not only that but I am also scared that a far right, extreme party that hides behind a thin veneer of change and respectability will be running a country in which I live.
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    Have a look at this.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sta...al/default.stm

    Apologies if someone's linked to it already.
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    I have little time to read the whole thread but there seems to be a deliberate attempt at pretending to be confused about the term "Nazi". It's not because the title (and the title alone) of the Nazi party contained the words nationalist socialist, that any party that presents nationalist and socialist elements has any similarity to the Nazis.

    It's like saying the UK is like North Korea because the UK claims to be a democracy and the title of North Korea is the Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea. A lot of not-so democratic countries had the word "democratic" in their title, yet they were not. The title has little to do with the reality of the matter.

    This whole thread just plays on the potential confusion that someone might get when discovering the Nazi party was named the National Socialist German Workers Party. As can be seen by the example of North Korea, the title alone doesn't define the party at all, quite the contrary: it can be used as a way of hiding the true nature of the party/country.
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    (Original post by madjackie)
    I think no matter how much you debate the realities of the BNP and the supposedly changing face of it the fact remains that the popular image that people hold of the party is that of racism, discrimination and extremism. It is therefore arguable that if a large enough number of people voted for the BNP to be elected the majority of them would be supposedly uninformed and basing their vote on the public image of the BNP rater than the "reality".

    Therefore on one level I am afraid that this Country will become so bigoted and ridiculous that it would vote a party they percieve to be like this. Not only that but I am also scared that a far right, extreme party that hides behind a thin veneer of change and respectability will be running a country in which I live.
    Understood. Tho' I think the hysteria about the BNP, paralleled as it is by a refusal to hear many whites concerns about matters of race and nation, actually makes more likely a trend toward 'extremist' sentiment.
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    The Nazis did have some good ideas, and Hitler improved the economy and was an excellent political statesman.
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    (Original post by Andrew000)
    The Nazis did have some good ideas, and Hitler improved the economy and was an excellent political statesman.
    I don't believe in your existence
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    (Original post by TheVlad)
    I don't believe in your existence
    Come now, for the amount of success the Nazis had at home and abroad, there is clearly a huge suggestion that they were successful. Whether or not the ideals are morally acceptable is subject to debate, yet their success experienced cannot be undermined by the anti-semitic values which is all people seem to consider when evaluating the Nazis.
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    (Original post by Andrew000)
    Come now, for the amount of success the Nazis had at home and abroad, there is clearly a huge suggestion that they were successful. Whether or not the ideals are morally acceptable is subject to debate, yet their success experienced cannot be undermined by the anti-semitic values which is all people seem to consider when evaluating the Nazis.
    They were not successful. The economy was in a terrible state under the NAZIs and they needed to go to war to stop the entire Third Reich from collapsing. And they lost that too.
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    (Original post by TheVlad)
    They were not successful. The economy was in a terrible state under the NAZIs and they needed to go to war to stop the entire Third Reich from collapsing. And they lost that too.
    This is entirely untrue. The only factual information here is that they lost the war. The rest you have made up.
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    (Original post by Andrew000)
    The Nazis did have some good ideas, and Hitler improved the economy and was an excellent political statesman.
    Please give examples of all three.

    And before you say that Hitler reduced unemployment, consider the ADL's response:

    The Anti-Defamation League thoroughly demolished the pro-Hitler argument.

    Much of the hard work of Nazi Germany, it pointed out, was at the hands of unpaid slave labourers.

    And the perceived upswing was at least partly produced by manipulating the economy: Jews and other persecuted groups were not counted in the unemployment statistics, and women were encouraged to marry and leave the workforce.
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    (Original post by Andrew000)
    an excellent political statesman.
    How exactly? His actions forced the start of the second world war.
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    (Original post by Andrew000)
    yet their success experienced cannot be undermined by the anti-semitic values which is all people seem to consider when evaluating the Nazis.
    It is impossible to evaluate any economic factors outside of that context of exterminating 'inferior' races and other 'unfit' human specimins.

    And don't try and deny the existence of gas chambers and/or extermination camps. Please, don't.
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    (Original post by Andrew000)
    The Nazis did have some good ideas, and Hitler improved the economy and was an excellent political statesman.
    The only good idea Hitler had in his life was to put a bullet into his brain.
    Pity it took him so long to have it, though.
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    (Original post by Weejimmie)
    The only good idea Hitler had in his life was to put a bullet into his brain.
    Pity it took him so long to have it, though.
    Wasn't a good idea, we missed the oppurtunity to hang him.

    Damn, I'm against capital punishment aren't I... :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Andrew000)
    This is entirely untrue. The only factual information here is that they lost the war. The rest you have made up.
    Your profile says you're still at school. I suggest you do some more study before contradicting the 'bigger boys' opinions.
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    (Original post by richardAndr)
    Well it'd probably be a good idea for the 'bigger boys' to get lives rahter than hanging around on a forum aimed at 14-17 year olds.
    It's actually aimed at University students too..

    On topic, Hitler was an extremist who told his people what they wanted to hear at a time of national economic depression. He didn't do anything positive for Germany and the only good thing that came out of it was that people learnt not to allow the same mistakes to happen again.
 
 
 
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