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Most prosperous Eastern European country in terms of individual standard of living?

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Reply 20

specifically it was around 500 years. Part of Russian satellite for 40 years-now, who is the Eastern European?

Reply 21

You are talking here about my country, and quite frankly it is more than clear that you hardly know what are you talking about. Moreover, a 9-year-old would not kindly ask you to shut your mouth- so it is not a threat. Btw the Kingdom of Bohemia{ the Czech Republic} was a part of Austria for 500 years opposed to 40 years under the Russian influence. We are Western Slavs, so the language is similar to any Slavic language. Did you know that English language and German is from the same language family? Does that mean there is a cultural similarity? No, British and Germans are completely different. Language cannot be taken into account in this matter. History and facts do. We have nothing in common with Russia or Russians. Using your phrases- I think we are done here, end of story.

Reply 22

Yeah, only devastated out of snobbishness. Eastern Europe is thought of by the West as being poor, and as Czechs feel they're a bit more wealthy and sophisticated than their Eastern European neighbours, they demand to be called Central Europeans.

But at the end of the day, the Czechs are Slavs, have a Slavic heritage and speak a Slavic language - the Slavs are the primary race and culture of Eastern Europe. To suggest the Czechs are more Western European than the Austrians is absurd.

While this would be very controversial, I would even go as far to say that as a culture and people, Czechs have more common ground with the Russians than they do with Germans, French or British.


Agree with this.

The Western/ Eastern Europe divide is based on whether the country/area is influenced by ancient Greek/Latin (ancestor languages of English, French, Spanish etc.) or Old Church Slavonic (the ancestor language of Polish, Russian etc.).

Czechs and a few other Eastern European countries like to see themselves as part of Western Europe but Western European countries don't agree. They're also not Central Europeans because the lower nordic countries (whose languages came from Old Norse mixed with Greek and Latin) were the real Central Europeans.

In the past Mitteleuropa (lit. the middle of Europe) did actually cover Germany, Czechoslovakia, bits of Poland and a few E/Europe countries but this was when the German speaking Prussians lived there. After World War 2, the Prussians were forced to move to Germany and Europe was divided into Western and Eastern Europe. Central Europe ceased to exist.

Reply 23

Original post by honza.rek
You are talking here about my country, and quite frankly it is more than clear that you hardly know what are you talking about. Moreover, a 9-year-old would not kindly ask you to shut your mouth- so it is not a threat. Btw the Kingdom of Bohemia{ the Czech Republic} was a part of Austria for 500 years opposed to 40 years under the Russian influence. We are Western Slavs, so the language is similar to any Slavic language. Did you know that English language and German is from the same language family? Does that mean there is a cultural similarity? No, British and Germans are completely different. Language cannot be taken into account in this matter. History and facts do. We have nothing in common with Russia or Russians. Using your phrases- I think we are done here, end of story.


The kingdom of Bohemia was ruled by Austria but they don't belong to the same language family. Czech is a slavic language is derived from Old Church Slavonic (as did Russian, Polish, Ukrainian etc.). Austrians speak German.

English shares a common ancestral language with German (and other Nordic languages), French (and other Latin languages) along with Greek. Deffo part of Western Europe.

Czechoslovakia is not Central Europe, but is part of Eastern Europe.

Reply 24

Nor Poland, Czech Republic or Slovakia are in Eastern Europe. They are Central European countries.
But ad rem: Czech Republic is quite well developed, secular society. While still poorer than the West, it's far safer and standards of, let say, hausing are greater than the ones in the UK.

Reply 25

"Back in the day", pretty much every European country had it's allegences one way or the other, with pretty much every Slavic nation clearly leaning towards Russia.


are you joking?
Tell it to a Pole, good luck and have fun :P!

Reply 26

Original post by ThePricklyOne

The Western/ Eastern Europe divide is based on whether the country/area is influenced by ancient Greek/Latin (ancestor languages of English, French, Spanish etc.) or Old Church Slavonic (the ancestor language of Polish, Russian etc.).


1. So the Romanians are Western European than? After all, their language is even closer to the real Latin than Italian is.
2. If Polish or Czech are so much influenced by the OCS, why do they use Latin script instead of cyrillic one? And why do they have so many loanwords from Latin and Greek when it comes to religious subjects?

Reply 27

Eastern Europe is not a place I've seen much of, but I recall on a visit to the Czech Republic, albeit Prague, the country seemed really quite prosperous and I couldn't see any significant standard of living difference between Czechs and Western Europeans, ie British, French, Dutch, etc.



I'd say that Czech Republic is one of the most prosperous and generally advanced countries of the Mid/Eastern Europe


While I've never been to Poland, I'm told that Poland while it's getting more prosperous definately still has a way to go.

So to people who have had more to do with Eastern Europe, is the Czech Republic significantly wealthier than it's neighbours? And what would you say could be considered the most prosperous Eastern European country.


Poland has several significant problems:

-oppressive taxing systems and unfriendly tax office
-some companies have to wait years for vat refunds
-courts run slowly and they're gettin worse
-population dying down
-terrible architectural mess, the place is so damn ugly!
-air pollution
-zero state-support for people from disadvantaged backgrounds
-east of the Vistula river, economic backwardness
-curropted, decadent, and generally incompetent political class




While this would be very controversial, I would even go as far to say that as a culture and people, Czechs have more common ground with the Russians than they do with Germans, French or British.



I wouldn't say so. Czechy have been a part of Austria for centuries, even Czech language is a modern recreation.
There are some differences between the Poles and the Russians, and there are some differences between Czechs and Poles. Czechs seem to be more organized, rational, and they are far more secular than the Poles.



While this would be very controversial, I would even go as far to say that as a culture and people, Czechs have more common ground with the Russians than they do with Germans, French or British.


The language is not that important.
As I already said, the Czech language is a modern recreation, in Tatar Krym (Mongol nation) Polish was the Chana's office language, in the XVI and XVIIth century, while in Poland noblemen spoke in Latin on daily basis

Czechs lived under Austrian rule for 500 years, this has left some cultural impact.


Original post by simon_g

2. If Polish or Czech are so much influenced by the OCS, why do they use Latin script instead of cyrillic one? And why do they have so many loanwords from Latin and Greek when it comes to religious subjects?


Because Poland always looked to the West, it took baptism from catholic Kingdom of Czechy, and during the modern period XV-XVIIIth century Polish nobles were speaking Latin on daily basis. There were no documents whatsoever confirming noble ancestry, but they were recognizing their social class through usage of Latin instead of Polish or Ruthenian. Also, the Polish-Lithuanian Union was a multinational state so it was very much in handy to know some international language that allowed communication with other citizens of the country.
If you take anything written by a Polish nobleman in XVIth or XVIIth century, about 30-50% of the text is alwas written in Latin, they had habit of mixing the two languages together, sometimes one sentnce is written in two languages, and not in terms of single words, a man could start a sentence in Polish and finish it in Latin or write whole paragraphs in the second.

And the words from Latin or Greek are not just connected to religious subjects. I learned a bit of ancient Greek and Latin, roughly half of Polish words come from Latin or Greek.
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Reply 28

Eastern Europe is not a place I've seen much of, but I recall on a visit to the Czech Republic, albeit Prague, the country seemed really quite prosperous and I couldn't see any significant standard of living difference between Czechs and Western Europeans, ie British, French, Dutch, etc.

All the cars seemed as new as what you'd find in Western Europe, there were very few old cars, or Soviet era old bangers - probably no more than what you'd see in the UK tbh. And while it's obviously difficult to tell as an outsider from a short-visit, the population as a whole seemed pretty free-spending and it certainly didn't come across as a place where money was a huge issue.

While I've never been to Poland, I'm told that Poland while it's getting more prosperous definately still has a way to go.

So to people who have had more to do with Eastern Europe, is the Czech Republic significantly wealthier than it's neighbours? And what would you say could be considered the most prosperous Eastern European country.

Also, I know technically speaking, Poland and the Czech Republic are central europe rather than Eastern, but for the purpose of things like this, they're definately Eastern Europe.


It could be just the capital that is prosperous the rest of the country may be quite poor. I've had problems with scammers online trying to extort money from people, their website ends in cc which is the Czech republic.
I have been to a proper developing or 3rd world country (Philippines) and the capital was very busy with many modern cars & SUVs but as soon as we traveled to the outskirts buildings got increasingly dilapidated and when we reached the countryside there were no cars, just very simple transport and bikes. the roads were still good but virtually empty
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