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    I'm hoping one of the global mods will sticky this for me for a while as it seems to be a recurring theme these last couple of days. *flutters eyelashes*

    So, the sun has come out and it's baking hot. And out trot the brave old British to try and get tanned. Or it happens by accident. Whatever, lots of you are now a nice shade of lobster.

    My first piece of advice, as Baz Luhrman said: wear sunscreen. If you're pale and weedy like me, you need at least SPF 25. Most white people should be using 8 if not 15; coloured skins can get away with less but should still use it as I'm sure you all know you're not immune to burning! Apply before you go out, and reapply every few hours or after you've been in water. TRY and avoid the sun between 11 and 2 if you can, and if you can't, make sure you're well suncreamed and ideally have a hat.

    If it's too late for the above and you're already burnt, first thing to do is stay out of the sun! I find a nice cool bath/shower works really well to cool down the burn (as you would with any other burn) and then lots and lots of aftersun. Aloe vera gel/lotion is wonderful, as is calamine. And cover up until it's gone down a bit. Try not to get burnt, even if you really want to tan - I forget the exact statistics, but I think it only takes about 7-8 doses of sunburn to an area in your life to seriously increase your risk of skin cancer. I know I've burned my shoulders more than that.

    Next, hydration. It's much hotter than usual and you should probably be taking in at least twice your usual fluid intake. That's about 3 litres per day for most people. If you do sport or any kind of exercise you're going to need more, and ideally you should drink isotonic fluid as you'll be losing a lot of salt too. A nice recipe for an isotonic-ish drink is:

    800ml water
    1/4tsp salt
    2-3tsp sugar
    200ml sugar free squash (or however strong you like it)

    If you start to feel headachy, drowsy, sluggish, bad tempered or any or all of the above, it's time to get out of the sun, get lots of water (or ideally isotonics) down you and get some rest.

    Happy summer folks!
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    When it comes to the sun, yes, a lot of people are. And you only have to look at the number of recent sunburn/stroke threads to see that. I've learned the hard way, being blessed as I am with my skin tone.
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    It's gonna rain tomorrow :p:

    Good idea for a sticky, though.
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    (Original post by pikaboo)
    It's gonna rain tomorrow :p:

    Good idea for a sticky, though.
    Bring on the rain. If I wanted ****ed up weather like this, I would have gone elsewhere. This is Britain for **** sake.
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    Nice thread Helenia. I would just like to add that when we say wear sunscreen - we mean lots!! Hardly anyone i know puts enough on, you should be smothered with the stuff, for example a blob the size of a £2 for your arm. Don't worry if you're all white, it will soak in in a fw minutes. If you do not put on lots and lots, the SPF doesn't mean anything. Also it takes about 20 mins for it to work, so try not to go out straight away. xx
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    I bet boaties get more sunburn. The radiation reflects off the water and intensifies the risk, eek.

    I got sunburnt for the first time from just walking around all day, I didn't realise I'd need suncream for othert things as well as sunbathing in one position. Bah.
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    (Original post by pikaboo)
    I bet boaties get more sunburn. The radiation reflects off the water and intensifies the risk, eek.

    I got sunburnt for the first time from just walking around all day, I didn't realise I'd need suncream for othert things as well as sunbathing in one position. Bah.
    A girl in our first boat and in another college's first boat passed out during the last day of bumps racing and had to be taken to hospital. There were also a lot of attractive tan/burn lines on show at dinner afterwards.

    Pete, unless you have something constructive to say you will continue to be moderated, albeit not by me. And please stop leaving a space before an exclamation mark.
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    (Original post by pete77)
    Oh dear !

    Jus cause ur views dont agree with the moderator they are deleted !

    Talk about freedom of speech !
    It's not just that the mods disagree with you - your posts are pointless spam. I personally have been taking great pleasure in reporting them :p:

    Zarathustra.
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    (Original post by Helenia)
    If it's too late for the above and you're already burnt, first thing to do is stay out of the sun!
    If it's too late, call 999.... lol

    That happens every year: people falling asleep in the sun on holiday and then waking up to find out they have second-degree burns.

    How about mentioning that you can get burnt even if you're in the shade? A lot of people think they don't need to put suntan cream.
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    I'm a bit confused about the whole tanning thing - is it true that brown skin(from the sun) is damaged skin? If so, why does it matter if you burn or not, its going brown and getting damaged one way or another.

    Surely putting on sunscreen means you're never going to get tanned, particularly if its something like factor 25? What benefits are there of tanning with sunscreen rather than burning and then tanning?
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    (Original post by imasillynarb)
    I'm a bit confused about the whole tanning thing - is it true that brown skin(from the sun) is damaged skin? If so, why does it matter if you burn or not, its going brown and getting damaged one way or another.

    Surely putting on sunscreen means you're never going to get tanned, particularly if its something like factor 25? What benefits are there of tanning with sunscreen rather than burning and then tanning?
    I'm not an expert on this but I think that tanning is where your skin cells are stimulated to produce more melanin which helps absorb UV rays and protects you from the sun. Burn is just that - the UV has frazzled your cells just as if you'd burnt them on something else hot. When the inflammation fades, there will be some tanning underneath as you will have been producing melanin.

    Suncream reduces the amount of UV getting to your skin, particularly the harmful type (can't remember which one this is) that causes cancer. You will still tan as there's enough getting through to stimulate melanin production, but it will be much slower. Burning is more dangerous though as you'll have damaged more of the cell's DNA and therefore more likely to become cancerous later on. My skin tone is such that I never get very tanned even if I burn and go brown later - I just look a bit like I haven't washed for a while. So I prefer to protect myself and remain pale and wan. The TB look is soooo gonna be back in one day!
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    I did that thing of falling asleep in the sun and waking up with second degree burns on my shoulders only recently! because Im really pale and it was pretty much my first time in the sun this year....they blistered and looked really horrible and were very painful! But anyways I read somewhere that there's two types of sun rays.....UVA and UVB ones, and the SPF rating only shows you how well a type of suncream protects against UVA ones, and you're supposed to look on the back of the bottle where there's a star rating out of 5 for how well they protect against UVB rays. It just baffled me that this hadnt been made common knowledge.....and I wander if anyone else knew? cos I certainly didnt before
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    Yeah i knew that. Someone correct me if i'm wrong but i think UVA is the cancer causing type and UVB is the aging your skin type. Neither are fun so wear cream! xx
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    I have quite dark skin, I mean it's not that dark. I just have that tanned look. I've never been burnt before. But i dont know what factor to wear. Im goin somewhere very hot. So far I have bought factor 30 and 15. do you think 30 is a bit much since i dont have really pale skin? as im goin for 4 weeks i was thinking of just putting 30 on for the first 1 or 2 weeks and then use 15. what do you think?
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    Thanks for this thread!!

    Am getting really annoyed/concerned at loads of my friends' attitudes to the sun. Ok, so I'm really pale and never gonna get a natural tan, but most of my friends are pretty white too, yet as soon as the sun comes out they're desperate to get a tan and often don't use suncream. One of them even uses sunbeds!! They think it's reallly cool when they're all tanned (even if it is a rather pinkish shade of tan), and if I try to express my concern they just think I'm jealous of their amazing ability to be vain enough to give themselves skin cancer (sorry, i mean tan :p: ).

    It's crazy that people aren't more concerned, especially when we have a higher rate of skin cancer in the UK than in places like South Africa, and that's because when there's sun (ie most of the time!) they don't all run out trying to tan quickly. The main way we can change this is to change our attitude. I'm not saying people shouldn't tan or anything, plenty of people have skin which means they can't help going really brown. Just making the point that if you're not one of those people, put your health before your looks. You'd be stupid not to!

    *gets off soapbox*
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    I don't like getting tanned. I prefer to just have my naturally white skin.
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    (Original post by CornishGirl)
    I don't like getting tanned. I prefer to just have my naturally white skin.
    neither do i.........besides i cant go out in the heat for too long whether i want to or not.

    i get servere heat bumps (prickly heat), which i cant really do much about
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    (Original post by gemgems89)
    I have quite dark skin, I mean it's not that dark. I just have that tanned look. I've never been burnt before. But i dont know what factor to wear. Im goin somewhere very hot. So far I have bought factor 30 and 15. do you think 30 is a bit much since i dont have really pale skin? as im goin for 4 weeks i was thinking of just putting 30 on for the first 1 or 2 weeks and then use 15. what do you think?
    It's better to be safe than sorry, and especially if you're going somewhere even sunnier than this place (where it has now started raining just to spite my thread-making!) wearing 30 won't hurt, though you will tan much slower than usual. If you're not burning though, dropping to 15 after a week or two is probably ok.

    Ciara - my schoolfriends used to be like that, one of them even ended up in the san because she got heatstroke and was burnt so badly. They always thought I was odd for wearing suncream and trying to stay in the shade the whole time, but I'm not the one having moles removed already (as one of them has). Fortunately most of my uni friends are a bit more sensible, though there were a lot of very pink boaties after the last day of racing!
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    (Original post by imasillynarb)
    I'm a bit confused about the whole tanning thing - is it true that brown skin(from the sun) is damaged skin? If so, why does it matter if you burn or not, its going brown and getting damaged one way or another.

    Surely putting on sunscreen means you're never going to get tanned, particularly if its something like factor 25? What benefits are there of tanning with sunscreen rather than burning and then tanning?
    The UV rays damage the DNA in your skin each time you are exposed to the sun. If you have darker skin less UV light penetrates your skin and less damage is done (but our body needs some UV light for certain processes, so that's why we don't all have dark skin by nature). Normally we would not be exposed to a lot of light in winter and so that our body can still get enough sun light we turn white and when there is too much sun in summer, our body slowly builds up a tan over spring to stop too much light getting at us.
    By living indoors a lot and going to tanning studios or suddenly exposing our skin to more sun light than it can take (like going on holiday somewhere warm when we normally live near the north pole or such like ) and that is of course bad as our DNA is then damaged more than our natural defences can cope with.
    Each time you go into the sun your DNA is damaged and then when the body repairs you damaged DNA is snips out little bits of DNA that then tell your skin to 'go brown'. So if you go and spend a day in the sun and are very brown afterwards it is because you DNA has been damaged a lot that day. Next time you go in the sun though you DNA will not be damaged as much as less light will reach it.
    I'm no expert on all this, but it seems to be you want to avoid too much DNA damage really, so best thing is build up a tan slowly and gently and if you are very fair skinned, not to go out into the summer sun without protection because you'll just be damaging your skin and inviting cancer. You can go out if the sun is not very strong, but a lot of red-headed people do not tan easily (because the clime they are originally from nearlly never has such strong sunshine to make that necessary) - but if they go on holiday to somewhere very sunny, they are better off just putting on a lot of suntan cream, because before they manage to develope a tan more DNA will have been harmed than a person who naturally goes brown fast. If you tan quickly then it takes less damaged DNA to get a tan so it's a bit safer.
    Still, best thing to do is just wear sun screen.
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    Does anyone know anything about these new 'all day' suncreams? They sound brilliant - just one application and that's you all day, even after showering and swimming. I'm a bit reluctant to try it though because it sounds too good to be true.

    Has anyone ever used one?
 
 
 
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