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Does working with animals strictly implicate a low pay?

I'm posting this on behalf of my girlfriend :smile: She didn't do so well in her second year of Uni and decided to drop out, she's working at H&M full time at the moment as a sales assistant but she doesn't really see a future with H&M and she really wants to go and work with animals.

We've had a long hard look around, and think something along the lines of an apprentiship in animal care would be a good route. The only problem is the really rubbish salary rate, roughly £15,000 a year?!

So my question to you lovely TSR'ers is:

> Are you working in the animal care sector, or do you know anyone that is? How did you/they get into the sector?
> Are there any jobs in this sector that pay a decent wage? Maybe a starting wage of around £18,000 per annum?


Vetinary nursing is an option, but with a starting wage of £14k she's not all too sure and being a bit of a soft lass she "doesn't want to spend the rest of her life putting animals down" :woo:

Thanks, and +rep to the best answer! :biggrin:
Reply 1
Hello. I trained to do animal care. I've since decided on something different but I will help as best I can.

That's pretty much standard pay in animal care, yes. It's something you will never be rich doing. Vet nurses are paid more (exprienced ones get paid something in the region of £25,000) but still have a low starting rate. I don't think that vet nurses have to put animals down, although they have to cope with cleaning animals up and seeing them in pain and being put down.

The only thing I've seen which is an animal care job that pays a good starting wage (£19,000 approx.) is RSPCA inspector. If she's a bit of a softy though it's probably not the best career choice.

Is there any particular type of animal she'd like to work with or just animals in general?
Reply 2
Cheers for the fast reply :smile:

Lunarsea
It's something you will never be rich doing.


I got the feeling that might be the case, but I'm telling her that as long as she's happy then that should be her main priority I suppose! She is most definately against working in a vetinary surgery, so I'm thinking I'll leave that option off the list until it becomes absolutely necessary that we consider it. :P

We're going to look into the RSPCA inspector job, just incase it's something she might go for.

Lunarsea
Is there any particular type of animal she'd like to work with or just animals in general?

She says she's not bothered either way and wouldn't mind working with exotic or "normal", but I think she'd be more happy with fluffly capybaras opposed to alligators :biggrin:
Reply 3
Spice_Weasel

> Are you working in the animal care sector, or do you know anyone that is? How did you/they get into the sector?
> Are there any jobs in this sector that pay a decent wage? Maybe a starting wage of around £18,000 per annum?


I am an aspiring zoologist so I hope I can help a little.

If your girlfriend doesn't want to go back to uni, say goodbye to high wages if she wants to work with animals. This is why I am going back to uni. You will not get a high-paying (most of the time, not even low-paying!) job with animals without a degree in a biology-related subject. This sucks, but unfortunately its true. I hated hearing this last year but there seems to be no way round it as this is a very competitive area.

I would recommend:

- Go back to uni, finish the degree she started, and get a masters in something related to animals. This is what some friends of mine at the RSPB recommended I do when I had this question last year. One of them got a degree in politics but was still accepted for a masters in conservation at a small local uni.

- Go back to uni and do a degree in biology, zoology, or something similiar. Obviously it takes money and time but it's one of your best options. I am going back to uni to study biology for this reason. Financially it kills me- but I really want to do this.

- Study with the Open University. Pay less fees and work more hours than a regular uni (even up to full-time depending on how you schedule yourself). Good option financially. I recommend the BSc Life Sciences if you do this. This is my backup option.

- Try to get into anywhere, zoos, etc., at the lowest level possible and work your way up. This is hard without a qualification.

No matter what she does, here's one vital tip which is equal in importance to getting a degree in an employer's eyes: work experience. She NEEDS to go out there and do voluntary work or any qualification will be absolutely useless. Depending on the field- travel abroad and do voluntary work, help out at a local rescue centre, volunteer for a related charity, plus you can do residential volunteering (RSPB does this).

Good luck

Edit:

I really recommend getting a qualification. Really really. But I wouldn't rule out the possibility of her getting a job with animals if she pushes the boat out with voluntary work. However, without a qualification, the promotion opportunities might be restricted.

She needs to think about what exactly she is interested in and finding out how to get there. For instance if she likes conservation and volunteering, maybe she would like to work for a charity. If this was the case I'd recommend emailing a charity and asking them what they look for when they advertise this type of vacancy.

Obviously if she would like to be a research scientist popping over to the Galapogos to study finch beaks she will need academic background in this.

Not sure RSPCA inspector is the way to go. Seeing animals in distress and talking to their lowlife owners about it? Not good for a softie. :p:
Reply 4
Spice_Weasel
Cheers for the fast reply :smile:



I got the feeling that might be the case, but I'm telling her that as long as she's happy then that should be her main priority I suppose! She is most definitely against working in a vetinary surgery, so I'm thinking I'll leave that option off the list until it becomes absolutely necessary that we consider it. :P

We're going to look into the RSPCA inspector job, just incase it's something she might go for.


She says she's not bothered either way and wouldn't mind working with exotic or "normal", but I think she'd be more happy with fluffly capybaras opposed to alligators :biggrin:

No worries, I know how frustrating it is to wait forever for a reply.

There's zoo keeper jobs if she is interested in that, but those are hugely competitive. You really have to know your stuff and have real enthusiasm for it and even then you may not get it. Also it's not helpful if you don't live near a zoo.

Have you two see this site? http://www.connexions-direct.com/jobs4u/index.cfm?pid=23

It's technically a website for teenagers but it helps if you want to see case studies for careers, see what is involved and how much pay you are likely to get. As I said, RSPCA may not be the best choice if she can't stand to see animals suffering/has a strong stomach and able to remain emotionally detached, but help her look in to it and see how she feels about it. :smile:
Reply 5
Nambi
I am an aspiring zoologist so I hope I can help a little.

If your girlfriend doesn't want to go back to uni, say goodbye to high wages if she wants to work with animals. This is why I am going back to uni. You will not get a high-paying (most of the time, not even low-paying!) job with animals without a degree in a biology-related subject.

I would recommend:

- Go back to uni, finish the degree she started, and get a masters in something related to conservation. This is what some friends of mine at the RSPB recommended I do when I had this question last year. I didn't do it because I want to aim higher (than getting a masters at a local poly).

- Go back to uni and do a degree in biology, zoology, or something similiar. Obviously it takes money and time but it's one of your best options. I am going back to uni to study biology for this reason. Financially it kills me- but I really want to do this.

- Study wuth the Open University. Pay less fees and work more hours than a regular uni (even up to full-time depending on how you schedule yourself). Good option financially. I recommend the BsC Life Sciences if you do this. This is my backup option. I love the Open Uni but I want the experience of a 'brick' uni if poss, especially as I'm going to be doing science.

- Try to get into anywhere, zoos, etc., at the lowest level possible and work your way up. This is hard without a qualification.

No matter what she does, here's one vital tip which is equal in importance to getting a degree in an employer's eyes: work experience. She NEEDS to go out there and do voluntary work or any qualification will be absolutely useless. Depending on the field- travel abroad and do voluntary work, help out at a local rescue centre, volunteer for a related charity, plus you can do residential volunteering (RSPB does this).

Good luck

This is excellent advice. I agree utterly with the work experience (can't believe I forgot to mention this!).

You don't need to have a degree though for low paying jobs. A lot of people I know that work with animals in low pay jobs do not have degrees. They do have an animal management qualification though. Some people don't have qualifications but they do have a lot of work experience which got them their jobs. Not criticising you so please don't think I am. Just from my experience of talking to people.
Spice weasel, I do a degree in Life Science with the OU so if you need some info on this, I'm happy to help.
Reply 6
Thanks to both of you, you're a great help and there's some really good advice here :smile: I couldn't possibly just rep one of you :biggrin: So it'll have to be +rep for Lunarsea today and then +rep for Nambi tomorrow :smile:
Reply 7
Lunarsea
You don't need to have a degree though for low paying jobs. A lot of people I know that work with animals in low pay jobs do not have degrees. They do have an animal management qualification though.


I only mentioned this because in my experience of madly avoiding having to go back to uni I tried to get a job with animals anywhere- and no luck. They all wanted degrees. I'm sure you can wing a low-paying job without one, but if you want higher pay it seems impossible.

I do a degree in Life Science with the OU so if you need some info on this, I'm happy to help.


:yep: Great option if you are financially too hard-up to go back to a 'brick' uni. And I find the O.U. is really good. I am studying Natural Sciences there myself right now- I am learning a lot, really good quality teaching, etc., it has surprised me. Plus, if you are low-income, you might not have to pay anything, as far as I'm aware- or at least get a massive reduction.
Reply 8
Nambi
I only mentioned this because in my experience of madly avoiding having to go back to uni I tried to get a job with animals anywhere- and no luck. They all wanted degrees. I'm sure you can wing a low-paying job without one, but if you want higher pay it seems impossible.



:yep: Great option if you are financially too hard-up to go back to a 'brick' uni. And I find the O.U. is really good. I am studying Natural Sciences there myself right now- I am learning a lot, really good quality teaching, etc., it has surprised me. Plus, if you are low-income, you might not have to pay anything, as far as I'm aware- or at least get a massive reduction.

Oh I definitely agree with that. I found the same thing which is why I wanted to go do a degree so I could get something a bit more high paying myself. Kudos to those that do the low paying jobs though, they need to be done after all. :smile:

Yes, I love the OU. :love: I get full financial support so I pay nothing at all. Not that that's the only reason I chose the OU but that's for other places. What career are you aiming for, Nambi? Or should we discuss this via PM to stop us clogging up Spice_Weasel's thread?
Reply 9
Lunarsea
What career are you aiming for, Nambi? Or should we discuss this via PM to stop us clogging up Spice_Weasel's thread?


I guess I can answer this one here just incase it's of any use to anyone... I am keeping my options open (who knows, I might develop a passion for mosquito DNA) but I'm fairly sure I want to go into animal behaviour, if anyone would allow me to be a research scientist for this I'd be made up :smile: Whether it's watching ants day and night or speaking to chimps in sign language, I'd find it amazing, all the effort would have been worthwhile.

If nothing else, I'd be quite content cleaning up elephant poo- lord knows I can't get a job doing that now, so progress is progress!
Reply 10
Haha clog up all you like :smile: I like to see you guys natter about this so I can give the missus some more ideas :wink:

I've just looked at BSc Life Sciences (linky) with the OU and it seems like a really good idea! Especially something like a foundation degree!

I did have a look at thier Financial Calculator and put down an annual income of around £8000, and it says her fees up to £1210 will be paid for. Only problem now is finding out how much the actual course itself costs so I can work out how much she'd have to pay :P

I'll keep you guys updated, and thanks again :smile:
Reply 11
Nambi
I guess I can answer this one here just incase it's of any use to anyone... I am keeping my options open (who knows, I might develop a passion for mosquito DNA) but I'm fairly sure I want to go into animal behaviour, if anyone would allow me to be a research scientist for this I'd be made up :smile: Whether it's watching ants day and night or speaking to chimps in sign language, I'd find it amazing, all the effort would have been worthwhile.

If nothing else, I'd be quite content cleaning up elephant poo- lord knows I can't get a job doing that now, so progress is progress!

Whoo, a woman after my own heart. I did animal behaviour as part of my animal management course, I adored it. I ldid ecology and conservation too and felt the same about that. So I'm aiming for one of those. Like you, I'm keeping my options open though. :biggrin:

Apologies for clogging up the thread but at least SW's gf can see there's animal people out there.

EDIT:
Spice_Weasel
Haha clog up all you like :smile: I like to see you guys natter about this so I can give the missus some more ideas :wink:

I've just looked at BSc Life Sciences (linky) with the OU and it seems like a really good idea! Especially something like a foundation degree!

I did have a look at thier Financial Calculator and put down an annual income of around £8000, and it says her fees up to £1210 will be paid for. Only problem now is finding out how much the actual course itself costs so I can work out how much she'd have to pay :P

I'll keep you guys updated, and thanks again :smile:


I can help with this. If she's working full time then I think the general guidelines is not to do more than 60 points a year otherwise the workload may be too much. £1210 is the full amount of financial support. I get the same. I get all my course fees paid for and I'm doing 100 points a year, so if she's only doing the 60 points a year she shouldn't have a problem getting a degree for nothing. The bad news is that working full time and doing a degree part time takes about 6 years.
Reply 12
Tell her to man up and buy her a shotgun for animal-killing practice. She'll be executing them like a pro within a few days.
Reply 13
If she wants to work with animals it will be more for the love of it rather than a decent wage
Reply 14
Only if you shag them.
Original post by Nambi
I am an aspiring zoologist so I hope I can help a little.

If your girlfriend doesn't want to go back to uni, say goodbye to high wages if she wants to work with animals. This is why I am going back to uni. You will not get a high-paying (most of the time, not even low-paying!) job with animals without a degree in a biology-related subject. This sucks, but unfortunately its true. I hated hearing this last year but there seems to be no way round it as this is a very competitive area.

I would recommend:

- Go back to uni, finish the degree she started, and get a masters in something related to animals. This is what some friends of mine at the RSPB recommended I do when I had this question last year. One of them got a degree in politics but was still accepted for a masters in conservation at a small local uni.

- Go back to uni and do a degree in biology, zoology, or something similiar. Obviously it takes money and time but it's one of your best options. I am going back to uni to study biology for this reason. Financially it kills me- but I really want to do this.

- Study with the Open University. Pay less fees and work more hours than a regular uni (even up to full-time depending on how you schedule yourself). Good option financially. I recommend the BSc Life Sciences if you do this. This is my backup option.

- Try to get into anywhere, zoos, etc., at the lowest level possible and work your way up. This is hard without a qualification.

No matter what she does, here's one vital tip which is equal in importance to getting a degree in an employer's eyes: work experience. She NEEDS to go out there and do voluntary work or any qualification will be absolutely useless. Depending on the field- travel abroad and do voluntary work, help out at a local rescue centre, volunteer for a related charity, plus you can do residential volunteering (RSPB does this).

Good luck

Edit:

I really recommend getting a qualification. Really really. But I wouldn't rule out the possibility of her getting a job with animals if she pushes the boat out with voluntary work. However, without a qualification, the promotion opportunities might be restricted.

She needs to think about what exactly she is interested in and finding out how to get there. For instance if she likes conservation and volunteering, maybe she would like to work for a charity. If this was the case I'd recommend emailing a charity and asking them what they look for when they advertise this type of vacancy.

Obviously if she would like to be a research scientist popping over to the Galapogos to study finch beaks she will need academic background in this.

Not sure RSPCA inspector is the way to go. Seeing animals in distress and talking to their lowlife owners about it? Not good for a softie. :p:


What should I do then? I have mostly Us in GCSE, nothing at C or above, no chance of going to uni, I want to become an animal care assistant, most people doing that job don't have degrees so I have no idea what you're going on about. I have entry level 3 animal care certificate and volunteer experience and I'm also a dog walker.
I see this thread is quite old now but I'll put a reply anyway.

If you aspire to work in animal care than experience will count much more than qualifications. I volunteered at my animal sanctuary almost every Sunday for a year and then was accepted to work as a volunteer at my zoo for three years. I then tried out dog training on a decent hourly wage; if you want a decent animal care job that is one to go for but even with that one, the responsibilities you had were so stressful, it was just no the right environment for me.

Degrees are becoming the new standard for animal care in zoos because despite what some people say with it being a menial job, it really isn't. You have input on enclosure design, you will know the animals better than anyone else and so will be able to give advice on breeding, enrichment and zoo strategy. Granted a fair few keepers I worked with did not have degrees however there were also quite a few who did. I remember a Primate keeper I spoke to having a Masters degree. Its not paid well because salary is most certainly not the incentive to get people; it is the taxa you work with. With that said, I think Chester Zoo is one of the zoos I have seen that specify a Zoology degree for every applicant and I remember reading about some keepers with extensive experience that even without a degree, could not progress to working there.

For those working with elephants, be prepared to spend a long time waiting for a trainee position to come up. I wouldn't say that elephant keepers have their own cult (XD) but since it is a very specialised job with very few doing it in the UK, they will likely all know each-other. Plus most keepers will be members of ABWAK I imagine and so will go to symposiums, career development workshops etc. Any elephant keeper roles I do see are for experienced members.

Your best chance of getting into a zoo will be to volunteer there as much as you can whilst obtaining your degree. Undergraduate and even postgraduate qualifications will ensure you do not hit a ceiling when advancing further. I would say that is definitely the main limiting factor to not having a degree; your progression in the field will be very limited.

Other Zoology jobs are a whole different kettle of fish and will likely require other advanced skills such as fluency in other languages, project management, general management skills and ecology and habitat surveying skills. I did see a job opening once through ZSL working with Giant Salamanders abroad. However the essential and desirable criteria was absolutely huge; you needed to speak the local language fluently, have all of the animal and conservation experience required and even management experience I believe. Plus I imagine there is huge instability with the work; you will be on fixed term contracts with no permanent abode, hopping around from internship to internship. If you are doing good quality research, like any academic, your research will be at the mercy of sponsors and funding which will most likely have their own interests aswell.

Following on, to give yourself a good idea of how much work is required to obtain one of these jobs, look at job descriptions and person specifications. You will want to aim to give yourself enough experience to at least cover all of the essential criteria and some of the desirable criteria. Look at those and then backtrack backwards, thinking about what skills you would need to obtain your job. Environment Jobs and BIAZA are generally my go to's but there are others just a Google search away. I've posted the links to them below.

https://www.environmentjob.co.uk/jobs
https://biaza.org.uk/jobs

At the moment I have an interest in educational admin and think in the future I'd like to pull together zoology and admin in a museum based environment. That's another kettle of fish though which attracts just as many applicants as zoo jobs. With that said, one does never know unless they try!