Abortion!

Sire

I'd still not like to see a person suffer, just because they were born. How bloody horrible is that?.

Not as horrible as termination, no matter what you say.

Reply 82

Sire

Northern Territory - Australia.
Euthanasia is legal. With one curious distinction. The patient must be the one making the choice. Also the only chance of overturning this rule is the unanimous vote from parliament. It is concrete. The person has to want to die, and ask for it personally.

Many people thought the abortion laws were going to be concrete. We all know how that turned out.
Naivety is the scourge of modern politics.

Reply 83

Elle

6

Bigcnee

Many people dont base their arguments on religion, rather moral instinct.

I would argue that when it comes to abortions there isn't a moral instinct- religion dictates it because they believe the baby gets its soul after however many days it is- can they prove it? People have different ideas of morality.. it shouldn't be forced on them..

Besides if people really did have a "moral instinct" then abortions should not be against the law- and people would not do it because of their values. Potential mother's should have rights aswell as unborn babies.

Reply 84

Bigcnee

It clearly depends what you base your morals/ethics on. If you think the termination of a human life is acceptable, then I guess it can be justified.

There in is the key. When does a foetus become a human? Some say it always was (as would you I'm guessing) others would say once it has entered the world. It really is a dodgey topic at times.

Reply 85

Lucy

Bigcnee

The same thing could be applied to drug-taking, thus it is not a feasible argument (not for most, anyway).

I personally wouldn't compare getting an abortion to taking drugs. I doubt a pregnant woman feels or acts in the same way as a drug addict (unless of course she is one).

Reply 86

Sire

There in is the key. When does a foetus become a human? Some say it always was (as would you I'm guessing) others would say once it has entered the world. It really is a dodgey topic at times.

The foetus is the potential of human life (undeniable), from which we all grow.

Reply 87

Bigcnee

Many people thought the abortion laws were going to be concrete. We all know how that turned out.
Naivety is the scourge of modern politics.

This was set in place by the general public actually. The politicians agreed simply because they didn't want to lose their votes and their jobs. Also there was a large public outcry at the time when a woman was dying a slow painful death and nothing was allowed to be done, despite a few suicide attempts. Nothing naive about that case mate.

Reply 88

Lucy

I personally wouldn't compare getting an abortion to taking drugs. I doubt a pregnant woman feels or acts in the same way as a drug addict (unless of course she is one).

Don't analyse it too closely. The want to not have a child and to take drugs can be equally as strong.

Reply 89

Bigcnee

The foetus is the potential of human life (undeniable), from which we all grow.

*nods* Basically how I see it, thus it is a touchy subject

Reply 90

Sire

This was set in place by the general public actually. The politicians agreed simply because they didn't want to lose their votes and their jobs. Also there was a large public outcry at the time when a woman was dying a slow painful death and nothing was allowed to be done, despite a few suicide attempts. Nothing naive about that case mate.

You're missing my point. Now that Euthanasia has been legalised, the laws will only become more relaxed.

Reply 91

Righto, common situation for you guys.
Young woman is pregnant. Having the baby will cause her serious health issues. Having the abortion, and perhaps trying for a child again at a later date is an option. Which would you advise. Knowing of course that if you say no to abortion, you've made life extremely difficult for two people. When the alternative was a good quality of life for two people.

Reply 92

Elle

6

Bigcnee

You're missing my point. Now that Euthanasia has been legalised, the laws will only become more relaxed.

Why to you think that?.. I can't think of any controversial issues that have become law and then forgotten about. There will always be a strong lobby against Euthanisa to keep it in check.

Reply 93

yawn1

Elle

I would argue that when it comes to abortions there isn't a moral instinct- religion dictates it because they believe the baby gets its soul after however many days it is- can they prove it? People have different ideas of morality.. it shouldn't be forced on them..

Besides if people really did have a "moral instinct" then abortions should not be against the law- and people would not do it because of their values. Potential mother's should have rights aswell as unborn babies.

Christians believe ensoulment takes place at conception, i.e. the moment of human life beginning. Can you prove it doesn't occur then?
Regarding 'mothers rights' - they are paramount in the Abortion Act - babies rights do not exist.
A true story - a baby was aborted at 21 weeks and was born alive - the child was left to die in a dish, which it did do after 3 hours. If that same child had not been aborted every effort would have been made to help it survive - incubator, intensive medical treatment etc.
How sad - one tiny person not entitled to a life, the other ones live very precious.
How immoral!!

Reply 94

Bigcnee

You're missing my point. Now that Euthanasia has been legalised, the laws will only become more relaxed.

You're missing mine. The laws may only become relaxed via a unanimous vote. One thing that will never happen. Not in Australia anyway. We can barely agree on the colour of an orange when it comes to serious things in our parliamentary positions.

Reply 95

Lucy

Bigcnee

Don't analyse it too closely. The want to not have a child and to take drugs can be equally as strong.

I think in most cases pregnant women do think about their actions a lot more than drug addicts. I don't think anyone can describe the guilt or feelings a pregnant woman considering abortion goes through. I think comparing drug addicts to pregnant women is a little too thoughtless for my liking.

Reply 96