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    Which thinker do you agree most with?
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    myself.
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    In economics Adam Smith and Milton Friedman (moreso with the latter, but only because many of the economic concepts Friedman touched upon were not known in the 18th century).

    In international relations, Niccolo Machiavelli, Thomas Hobbes, and Hans Morgenthau. I agree with Morgenthau more than with the former two for the same reason as above.

    On a practical level (i.e. those thinkers who got things done), it would have to be Cardinal de Richelieu, von Bismarck, and di Cavour, in that order.

    Out of the ones in the poll, I can't say I agree with any of them, though I agree with Hayek more than with the others.
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    (Original post by objectivism)
    Which thinker do you agree most with?
    I take it yours is Ayn Rand, from your name.

    "My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute."

    In other words, selfishness.
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    I take it yours is Ayn Rand, from your name.

    "My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute."

    In other words, selfishness.
    Yes!! Selfishness is wonderful, not as the brute killing others to satisfy his whims but as the rational being concerned with his own interests.
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    Would that Keynes be the same one who came up with the Keynesian theory that your spending becomes my wages and my spending becomes yours?
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    (Original post by HearTheThunder)
    Would that Keynes be the same one who came up with the Keynesian theory that your spending becomes my wages and my spending becomes yours?
    Spending = income. Income is not the same as wages (wages is income to labour; it doesn't include income to capital).
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    Hmm I'm only familiar with 3 of those so I don't think I'll vote
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    (Original post by objectivism)
    Yes!! Selfishness is wonderful, not as the brute killing others to satisfy his whims but as the rational being concerned with his own interests.
    I understand that type of selfishness. It's what happens throughout nature, and may appear to be the natural and harmonious way to live. I just disagree with it. Maybe I'm unnatural.
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    (Original post by HearTheThunder)
    Hmm I'm only familiar with 3 of those so I don't think I'll vote
    Yes, the average person hasn't exactly analysed the works of each of those thinkers.
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    I understand that type of selfishness. It's what happens throughout nature, and may appear to be the natural and harmonious way to live. I just disagree with it. Maybe I'm unnatural.
    Why do you disagree with it and who most represents your views?
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    Why do you disagree with it and who most represents your views?
    Probably the Fabians.
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    (Original post by objectivism)
    Why do you disagree with it and who most represents your views?
    I disagree with the principle because I think that selfishness is an inherently bad thing. I think that part of becoming evolving into a more sophisticated creature i.e. humans is the capacity to care for others, and not to go about thinking about yourself.

    I know our primitive insticts tell us to look after ourselves and our families, but helping other people is maybe the next stage in our natural evolution. I don't know. All I know is that I feel better if I help other people, and I feel bad ignoring that more developed instinct which is to think and care about others.

    I suppose Marx represents my views most in that I disagree with him least. I like Plato's idealistic state, with each person making the most of his talents, and the state being led by a group of thinkers, but it's a bit too authoritarian for my liking.
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Probably the Fabians.
    I'd want Lloyd George over Margeret Thatcher any day.
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    I suppose Marx represents my views most in that I disagree with him least. I like Plato's idealistic state, with each person making the most of his talents, and the state being led by a group of thinkers, but it's a bit too authoritarian for my liking
    I agree with your last point. In fact im surprised someone has voted for him given he opposed pluralsm, freedom of speech, supported censorship, private property for one class, restrctions on how much wealth you could hold, brainwashing (myth of the metals), an deciding your course of life when people are children, as well as his absurd theory of forms, which ignores the idea that we gain knowledge through our experiences not knowing another 'real' world outside the cave.
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    In fact im surprised someone has voted for him given he opposed pluralsm, freedom of speech, supported censorship, private property for one class, restrctions on how much wealth you could hold, brainwashing (myth of the metals), an deciding your course of life when people are children, as well as his absurd theory of forms, which ignores the idea that we gain knowledge through our experiences not knowing another 'real' world outside the cave.
    I voted for him to be different. I preferred his philosophical arguments really, not political ones, though you could argue both are the same.
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    (Original post by objectivism)
    I agree with your last point. In fact im surprised someone has voted for him given he opposed pluralsm, freedom of speech, supported censorship, private property for one class, restrctions on how much wealth you could hold, brainwashing (myth of the metals), an deciding your course of life when people are children, as well as his absurd theory of forms, which ignores the idea that we gain knowledge through our experiences not knowing another 'real' world outside the cave.
    His theory of forms was an amazing concept to put forward considering the time he lived in though. The thing I hate most about Plato's state is the fact that children get taken away from their mothers and are looked after be the state. (I think that's true, if my memory serves me right.)
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    The think I hate most about Plato's state is the fact that children get taken away from their mothers and are looked after be the state. (I think that's true, if my memory serves me right.)
    Yes that's right. He advocated mating rituals as well which were decided by a form of lottery which was actaully rigeed in order to put the 'best' people together and so produce the 'best'. Thus he also advocated a form of eugenics.

    His theory of the forms may have been radical but it is so wrong. He does not explain how knowldege of such abstract matters makes one better to decide what poetry is good, how to fight a war etc. It also has no bearing in science and ignores our individual uniqueness i.e people know whats best for them as they expererience things, not some philosopher. They may have more theoretical knowledge but not factual knowldge for each person. This point was hinted at by Aristotle, who in my opinion is the greatest of the ancient thinkers, though of course he had many faults as well, such as his view, that some are natural slaves.
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    I've never studied any of them academically so I can't really make an educated choice; however, when I look back on history I see that the more intrusive the ideology adopted by power is, the more the harm it causes than good. A hundred million dead bodies say Marxism murders; thousands who were eugenically sterilized would say a Platonic noble lie isn't so noble after all. I think the Road to Serfdom summed it up quite well, so for showing me the light, I vote Hayek.
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    (Original post by JonD)
    I've never studied any of them academically so I can't really make an educated choice; however, when I look back on history I see that the more intrusive the ideology adopted by power is, the more the harm it causes than good. A hundred million dead bodies say Marxism murders; thousands who were eugenically sterilized would say a Platonic noble lie isn't so noble after all. I think the Road to Serfdom summed it up quite well, so for showing me the light, I vote Hayek.
    I agree alot with Hayek but his argument for capitalism is not so much that its is natural (he says naturally we are socialists) or moral, as Rand argues, rather he defends it because of its overall social product, like Smith and Friedman.
 
 
 
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