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    I think when someone looks really good all the time- great clothes/day makeup/night makeup, it is not necessarily a bad thing at all! It's great when someone makes the effort.
    However I also know that no one is born beautiful. It takes much time reading Vogue/applying makeup/shopping, and also money for this. I don't think that people who look like this do so to cover up a lack of personality, more, that they may have had a personality once, but it was fried by all the time spent on themselves.
    I think I may have contradicted myself several times there; that is because I am undecided on the issue of vanity being a bad thing. In the end it all comes down to the individual person: you can be an obnoxious prat and be beautiful/ or a complete angel...and be beautiful.
    Thinking of others, Helen x
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    (Original post by musicboy)
    I am well aware that you can repeat and decorate your conclusion - my point was that you don't qualify your normative terms thus making your argument meaningless.
    I think it's obvious that she means make-up hides physical defects (bad skin etc.) and enhances features (lengthens eyelashes etc.), ergo improving physical attractiveness. Whether someone looks 'better' with or without make-up is subjective; but the vast majority of people - myself included - would find a face with fewer flaws, and enhanced features, more attractive - or 'better', if you will.

    Stop being so pedantic.
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    (Original post by bs.uk)
    oh and roadkill ur eyebrows need sorting and there are a few blemishes on your chin :rolleyes:
    Erm, ok. Like I said, the picture was old, I look quite different now anyway (especially my hair). The blemishes are from some spots. I never said I was completely perfect anyway, I aspire to be and usually do :p:
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    I agree with grace completely.

    Everyone says they prefer girls who don't wear make up, but 99% of the time they are wearing make up. Most make up isn't obvious. Foundation just clears up your skin. Mascara just makes your eyelashes longer.

    People may call me vain for wearing that level of make up every day, but no one that actually sees me would notice I was even wearing make up. I'd wear more than that if I was going out, but basic make up just subtely makes you look better!

    I agree that bright eye shadow and orange skin and thick black eyeliner may be over the top and I can see why guys prefer "no make up" to that. But trust me, you'd prefer subtle make up that you can't even see, to no make up at all.
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    (Original post by bestdeceptions)
    I agree with grace completely.

    Everyone says they prefer girls who don't wear make up, but 99% of the time they are wearing make up. Most make up isn't obvious. Foundation just clears up your skin. Mascara just makes your eyelashes longer.

    People may call me vain for wearing that level of make up every day, but no one that actually sees me would notice I was even wearing make up. I'd wear more than that if I was going out, but basic make up just subtely makes you look better!

    I agree that bright eye shadow and orange skin and thick black eyeliner may be over the top and I can see why guys prefer "no make up" to that. But trust me, you'd prefer subtle make up that you can't even see, to no make up at all.
    while on camp last yr, i saw all the girls in the morning without makeup and for the first few days they hated the fact people could see them so the would run and hide to put some on, but when we said they looked fine whihc they did, one girl looked soo much better without makeup, her eyes are soo pretty without makeup around it, some of them wear nothing nowadays and i can tell, as someone who has worn makeup lots in theatre productions o yeh
    WHY O WHY do you girls toture yaselves with eyeliner i want to cry everytime i have to put it on, lol, but if i cry something will run and have to start over again, lol
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    (Original post by bestdeceptions)
    Everyone says they prefer girls who don't wear make up, but 99% of the time they are wearing make up.
    i don't agree- on a normal day to day basis, i wear absolutely no makeup at all and i'm sure that there are plenty of others who don't wear it either. i usually have some vaseline in my bag, so if my lips dry out, i put some on. if i'm having a night out or i'm going to a party/whatever, i usually put some mascara on. that's it. why? i feel very comfortable in my own skin. so, 99% of the time i'm not wearing makeup. the same could be said for others
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    (Original post by grace)
    Every single girl on the face of this planet looks better with a little bit of natural looking makeup. Fact.
    Nah, I'm not sure I agree with that.

    I don't wear makeup and I believe I look better without it (even though I'd like to think I look better with it)

    For instance - if I apply mascara in a "natural" looking way, I might as well not have it on because my lashes are dark/long enough anyway. And if I put any more on, it looks artificial and makes my lashes look caked up.
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    (Original post by Va Va Voom)
    i don't agree- on a normal day to day basis, i wear absolutely no makeup at all and i'm sure that there are plenty of others who don't wear it either. i usually have some vaseline in my bag, so if my lips dry out, i put some on. if i'm having a night out or i'm going to a party/whatever, i usually put some mascara on. that's it. why? i feel very comfortable in my own skin. so, 99% of the time i'm not wearing makeup. the same could be said for others
    just because you don't wear makeup doesn't mean that you look better without it, just means you don't wear makeup
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    (Original post by Adhsur)
    Nah, I'm not sure I agree with that.

    I don't wear makeup and I believe I look better without it (even though I'd like to think I look better with it)

    For instance - if I apply mascara in a "natural" looking way, I might as well not have it on because my lashes are dark/long enough anyway. And if I put any more on, it looks artificial and makes my lashes look caked up.
    can i ask (not being rude or anything) if you're white? because in general i think the only people who don't always look better with makeup (but still look good with it) are those with a darker complexion anyway. They tend to have darker and longer eyelashes and darker skin which covers up imperfections. However (generalisation here) they tend to have to put more effort into hair removal so the vanity thing still applies!
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    (Original post by grace)
    can i ask (not being rude or anything) if you're white? because in general i think the only people who don't always look better with makeup (but still look good with it) are those with a darker complexion anyway. They tend to have darker and longer eyelashes and darker skin which covers up imperfections. However (generalisation here) they tend to have to put more effort into hair removal so the vanity thing still applies!
    Hmmm, I'm asian so you're probably right. Apart from one thing which is that dark skin covers imperfections! I don't think it can possibly do that as it isn't a concealer at all. I have seen many asian people with imperfections on their skin and many with clearer complexions. And same with the generalisation - there are many asians who do not have to fuss over hair removal more than light-skinned people and many who do so you can't conclude much from it.
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    (Original post by grace)
    just because you don't wear makeup doesn't mean that you look better without it, just means you don't wear makeup
    did i say that i look better without it? i said that i'm very comfortable in my skin without it and so don't feel the need to cover it up in makeup.
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    (Original post by Va Va Voom)
    did i say that i look better without it? i said that i'm very comfortable in my skin without it and so don't feel the need to cover it up in makeup.
    Yeah, I mean it's also about how much of a difference makeup will make to the person in question. If a girl looks 1% better after spending an hour on her face, that is pointless (and vain). But if she looks completely transformed with a few minutes of it, that is very sensible.

    Of course, those are two extremes - most people would be somewhere in between.
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    Vanity is defined by the OED as 1. conceit and desire for admiration of one's personal attainments or attractions.

    So, there are many forms of vanity. This debate is rather simplistic in that it focuses upon just one form of vanity. Surely presenting oneself as somehow morally superior b/c one feels that he is immune to this particular human frailty is, paradoxically, a form of vanity in itself.
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    (Original post by grace)
    put it this way..if someone has pretty eyes, a little bit of mascara is going to make them look prettier. If someone has nice lips, some lip gloss will make them look better.

    and if someone has minging eyes, there are tricks you can master to play them up, same with lips, skin etc.

    so, pretty or ugly, makeup (when used to enhance beauty as opposed to completely alter your face) makes people look better
    "minging eyes"

    right. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by technik)
    "minging eyes"

    right. :rolleyes:
    what? i don't get it?!
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    (Original post by technik)
    "minging eyes"

    right. :rolleyes:
    lol conjunctivitus or something :rofl:
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    (Original post by Va Va Voom)
    did i say that i look better without it? i said that i'm very comfortable in my skin without it and so don't feel the need to cover it up in makeup.
    yeah but my point was that most people look better with a bit of makeup. you launched into some speech about how you don't wear makeup and i was merely saying that doesn't mean you wouldn't look better if you did.
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    (Original post by grace)
    yeah but my point was that most people look better with a bit of makeup. you launched into some speech about how you don't wear makeup and i was merely saying that doesn't mean you wouldn't look better if you did.
    she wouldnt nesessarily look better with makeup, ever heard on natural beauty?
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    (Original post by trigger)
    she wouldnt nesessarily look better with makeup, ever heard on natural beauty?
    i didn't say she would. Just that most people do and her saying she doesn't wear any doesn't prove anything.

    Natural beauty is all well and good, i love waking up next to my boyfriend with a completely bare face and still looking beautiful (woah, that sounded vain!) but i know objectively my 'natural beauty' is enhanced with makeup.

    I personally don't know anyone who is an exception to this rule and have travelled the world and lived in three countries over the course of my life! I know a lot of people and all of them look better with an eensy weensy bit of slap.
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    no they dont they look the same as everyone else all flaws hidden behind concleoutr blue eyes with shades of eye shadow to inhance them quite frankly its boring
 
 
 
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