How do you define Western society?

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are western countries more tolerant than other places? is this the definition of Western society?
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Where sex sells.
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I'm probably wrong but when I personally think 'western' I think English and USA culture.
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Illusion of democracy.
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I'd just say 'Liberal' especially in comparison with everyone else, which is good. Though there's still a shedload of difference between the various Western countries anyway, so a bit of a moot point.
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Not at all, i'd typify it by materialism and self-indulgence, capitalism, neoconservatist foreign policy, a hypocritcal delusion that we have a democracy and a general feeling that we're infallible.
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capitalist, materialistic and with some sort idea that a democracy is in place.
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Lots of people have been noticing this time around, hearing Muslim protests that prejudice and bigotry are destroying what is supposed to be a tolerant society. But - like with climate change - far too many people have not had the eyes to see the obvious.
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I suppose... Europe and North America.
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(Original post by wilson_smith)
capitalism
You are unbelievably stupid if you think that countries with a national health service, free education, a minimum wage, maternity leave and work place anti-discrimination laws are practising capitalism.

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neoconservatist foreign policy.
That doesn't apply to all Western countries.

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hypocritcal delusion that we have a democracy
No one is under the allusion that we have a perfect democratic system in any of the Western countries. We do, however, have the closest thing to democracy.

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a general feeling that we're infallible.
On what basis do you come to this conclusion? I would argue that that statement is far more representative of the 'Muslim world' than it is of the Western world.
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liberal, powerful, secular, privileged.
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The general consensus appears to be:
Liberal democracies.
however it's very questionable if we live in a democracy.
It's also very questionable to say we're all that liberal.
Compared to many countries we seem to be the closest in general to these concepts. Compared to the concepts we appear to be far away from them.
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You are right, we are not a perfect democracy and we are not perfectly liberal. What is important, however, is that we here in the Western world generally embrace these ideals and seek to attain them, and that is what separates us from the non-Western world.

For instance, when you compare our democratic and liberal credentials to countries such as such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, China and Russia, we are far ahead of them; however, these societies, by in large, do not view democracy, freedom and tolerance as ideals that they wish to implement. For this reason, we should categorise a country as Western or non-Western with reference, not necessarily on the basis of their record, but their ideals and ambitions.
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(Original post by BlackGoose)
You are right, we are not a perfect democracy and we are not perfectly liberal. What is important, however, is that we here in the Western world generally embrace these ideals and seek to attain them, and that is what separates us from the non-Western world.

For instance, when you compare our democratic and liberal credentials to countries such as such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, China and Russia, we are far ahead of them; however, these societies, by in large, do not view democracy, freedom and tolerance as ideals that they wish to implement. For this reason, we should categorise a country as Western or non-Western with reference, not necessarily on the basis of their record, but their ideals and ambitions.
Most people don't appear to want that much change towards these ideals. Most people don't seem to give a ****.
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Most people don't appear to want that much change towards these ideals. Most people don't seem to give a ****.
Do you mean to say that most people here in the Western world do not desire further liberty and democracy?
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Do you mean that most people here in the Western world do not want to strive to achieve greater democracy and liberty?
Most people seem to be like that yes, they believe we've got enough liberty and democracy for them so why bother for others.
At least that I've come across. Perhaps (and I hope this is the case) I'm wrong.
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(Original post by wilson_smith)
Not at all, i'd typify it by materialism and self-indulgence, capitalism, neoconservatist foreign policy, a hypocritcal delusion that we have a democracy and a general feeling that we're infallible.
I concur. Vacuus of passion, a pressing desire for instant gratification, and complete ideological decline!
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Erm, Western societies, eh? Where selfishness, ignorance, and sex meet.
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(Original post by Orihime)
ignorance
How is Western civilisation ignorant? Remember that the computer you are using is a product of the Western world.

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sex meet.
Yeah because only Westerners have sex.
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Most people seem to be like that yes, they believe we've got enough liberty and democracy for them so why bother for others.
I agree that there is a level of complacency e.g. with the shocking levels of support for illiberal laws such as the smoking ban and longer detention periods. Though, by in large, I think there is still deep respect for notions such as democracy and liberty.
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