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According to my friends, it depends on the course. Critical and demanding courses like medicine, dentistry, etc have higher entry requirements.
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depends on course, as I realised But aye, it's true for some courses @ U Toronto
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Rogerenden
depends on course, as I realised But aye, it's true for some courses @ U Toronto


thanks for your reply. how come its so low?
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thanks for your reply. how come its so low?


Generally speaking, because international students pay more and because it is difficult to compare secondary school grades internationally.
reynoldrooney
i heard that canadian universities like (university of toronto) accepts people who got IB score of 28+, is this true? and if it is, how come its so low?


I know a person in UofT doing LifeSci with a score of exactly 28 (guess it's a magic number)! She told me that she got a higher predicted score, but decided to slack off after she got her offer.

Here's how it works. UofT has 3 campuses, and each specialize heavily in some field. The person who got a 28, applied to the UofT campus that had a poor life sci dept, so easily got in due to leniency.

Generally speaking, UofT has a decent, if not poor reputation at an undergrad level (class sizes are roughly 200 people at first year. Some courses go up to 500!). It post grad where they kick things up a notch due to the research conducted. The only UofT faculty that's good at an undergrad is engineering.

Universities like Queen's, Waterloo and McGill are amazing at an undergrad stage, and have really high admission requirements.
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Hello guys ,Im new to application for Canadian Universities.
Hope those who have experience and knowledge about this can answer my queries.For your information,Im an international student who is intending to apply for premed course(ie undergraduate course-2010 admission)


1)When does the application start and end?
2)What are the necessary documents I need?
eg.Personal statement,teacher reference,yada yada

3)Do they conduct interviews ?(Im seriously clueless about this despite reading some of the Uni websites)

Thanks in advance:p:
Ur in the same position as i am about applying to canada. Firstly, i started selecting the locations and the universities. Then looked at the courses i wanted to do..then the requirements. Basically for universities in Ontario, they have something like UCAS or Common Applications...its called ontario applications..u can google tht...which includes.. unis like brock.toronto..york and waterloo and some other.. more...
while.. for unis like..UBC..it has its own application form and system..u can have a better idea by going to the website...you.bc.ca.. For other unis in british columbia theres sth like the ontario applications which is for unis like uvic. or Simon fraiser or thompson rivers.. u can google tht as well...
2) for some unis u preferably would want to have a suplimental document about urself..( more like a personal statement in UCAS..if ur familiar with it).. thts wht u would need.. despite all the other necessaries such as ur address and..school and bla bla bla..
3) u need ur reference letters and predicteds/ scores which might have to be sent off by ur school itself..for tht go talk to ur guidance councellor...


Hope this helps...
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Crystalline
Hello guys ,Im new to application for Canadian Universities.
Hope those who have experience and knowledge about this can answer my queries.For your information,Im an international student who is intending to apply for premed course(ie undergraduate course-2010 admission)


1)When does the application start and end?
2)What are the necessary documents I need?
eg.Personal statement,teacher reference,yada yada

3)Do they conduct interviews ?(Im seriously clueless about this despite reading some of the Uni websites)

Thanks in advance:p:


1) Application deadlines are some time in March. :smile: It's already started. For Ontario Uni's you can register at OUAC And for the other ones, you have to register at their own websites (McGill, I know for certain has an online application).

2) Your transcript needs to be sent to them and sometimes your GCSE/Alevel/whateverelse grades. (a colour photocopy that's certified does work at some places [def. Waterloo and McGill]
And Waterloo will ask you to fill out an AIF form.. (which is online)

3) Nope. :smile:

No letters of reference needed either (unless the university states). It's a very easy process. :smile:
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Converg&#477
I know a person in UofT doing LifeSci with a score of exactly 28 (guess it's a magic number)! She told me that she got a higher predicted score, but decided to slack off after she got her offer.

Here's how it works. UofT has 3 campuses, and each specialize heavily in some field. The person who got a 28, applied to the UofT campus that had a poor life sci dept, so easily got in due to leniency.

Generally speaking, UofT has a decent, if not poor reputation at an undergrad level (class sizes are roughly 200 people at first year. Some courses go up to 500!). It post grad where they kick things up a notch due to the research conducted. The only UofT faculty that's good at an undergrad is engineering.

Universities like Queen's, Waterloo and McGill are amazing at an undergrad stage, and have really high admission requirements.


U of T's undergrad is amazing. Just look at how almost all the famous Canadians graduated from the U of T's undergrad programs. You gotta pick your favorite college through. St George campus is divided up into colleges like Oxbridge.

U of T is great in every area. Law, medicine, etc. Its law school always tops the tables. Medicine and other doctoral studies... U of T was ranked 1st for 12 yrs in a row.

There are kids who got 39, over 40, etc, and kids who got like 28.
Most of the unqualified ones get filtered out through their 1st and 2nd years.

By the way, don't ever say anything without any evidence backing your assertion. U of T's arts and science undergrad program is arguably the best in Canada, hence it produced more notable graduates than any other Canadian university. Plus, it has been affiliated with more Nobel laureates than any other Canadian university.

I was predicted 43 by the way, but slacked off and got 36 in the end
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fuzzybluelight
According to my friends, it depends on the course. Critical and demanding courses like medicine, dentistry, etc have higher entry requirements.


You can't apply to medicine or dentistry or law with just your IB score.

You need at least 2 years of your Bachelor or a completed Bachelor (which is what the vast majority of applicants have).
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jy9626
U of T's undergrad is amazing. Just look at how almost all the famous Canadians graduated from the U of T's undergrad programs. You gotta pick your favorite college through. St George campus is divided up into colleges like Oxbridge.

U of T is great in every area. Law, medicine, etc. Its law school always tops the tables. Medicine and other doctoral studies... U of T was ranked 1st for 12 yrs in a row.

There are kids who got 39, over 40, etc, and kids who got like 28.
Most of the unqualified ones get filtered out through their 1st and 2nd years.

By the way, don't ever say anything without any evidence backing your assertion. U of T's arts and science undergrad program is arguably the best in Canada, hence it produced more notable graduates than any other Canadian university. Plus, it has been affiliated with more Nobel laureates than any other Canadian university.

I was predicted 43 by the way, but slacked off and got 36 in the end


You make it sound way better than it actually is.

And, I'm a graduate of UofT. :rolleyes:
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UGeNe
You make it sound way better than it actually is.

And, I'm a graduate of UofT. :rolleyes:


Thank you sir!
I was just stating the university's factual accomplishments lol.
It's really an awesome university.

(to others)
And it's unfair to judge u of t based on its selectivity, because there is certainly a large number of students who excelled in high school. In colleges like Trinity, in fact, average entering grade for Ontario applicants was 91 in 2006(not sure if it's the exact year though.)
Concerning the IB grades, I was educated at an international school, and one guy (graduated in 08) who got into Cornell slacked off in the end and got something like 29. Another guy in the same year who went to Northwestern did even more poorly in the end and got less than that. Our teachers were very disappointed.
It's called senioritis.
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Converg&#477
I know a person in UofT doing LifeSci with a score of exactly 28 (guess it's a magic number)! She told me that she got a higher predicted score, but decided to slack off after she got her offer.

Here's how it works. UofT has 3 campuses, and each specialize heavily in some field. The person who got a 28, applied to the UofT campus that had a poor life sci dept, so easily got in due to leniency.

Generally speaking, UofT has a decent, if not poor reputation at an undergrad level (class sizes are roughly 200 people at first year. Some courses go up to 500!). It post grad where they kick things up a notch due to the research conducted. The only UofT faculty that's good at an undergrad is engineering.

Universities like Queen's, Waterloo and McGill are amazing at an undergrad stage, and have really high admission requirements.


True UofT is a mediocre undergrad school except For Engineering where it may be one of the best in the world. Grad school is also Good and all the money is spent there. UofT also accepts many students as they have a huge campus and many students.
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S4pool
True UofT is a mediocre undergrad school except For Engineering where it may be one of the best in the world. Grad school is also Good and all the money is spent there. UofT also accepts many students as they have a huge campus and many students.


How is its undergrad school 'mediocre'? Have you ever even been a student there?
This is completely absurd.
Its grad schools are in fact, the best in the country.
If its undergrad schoo were 'mediocre', then how come the majority of Canadian leaders did their undergrad studies at U of T? Explain.

Any field, any area really.
Law school? always no.1., according to rankings. But Osgoode Hall is another top choice, as it has double JD programs with NYU.
Med school? used to be no.1 for a long time, but now it's competing with McGill.
Business school? one of the best, along with York's Schulich, UWO's Ivey
Economics? always the top in the country.
Philosophy? indeed always the best (prof Brian Leiter at Chicago Law School knows it as well). McGill also has some renowned profs though.
Engineering? best, along with prob Waterloo.
Undergraduate programs? there hasn't been any comparison made. but it must be good, since it produced the most number of distinguished alumni in the country. It's divided up into colleges. If you prefer small, tightly-knit communities, Trinity College and Innis College are there for you.
And Trinity College is indeed selective. You need to write an extra essay that gets reviewed along with your other materials, in order to get in. You don't do this for any other university in Canada. Average entering grade for Ontario applicants was 91, which is a point higher than McGill's. (But you can still get into other 2nd, 3rd choice college and say I go to U of T. UTM and UTSC are satellite campuses which are stretched apart from downtown Toronto where St George campus is located. UTM, UTSC are both "un-selective" almost. The real U of T is the St George campus one.)
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jy9626
How is its undergrad school 'mediocre'? Have you ever even been a student there?
This is completely absurd.
Its grad schools are in fact, the best in the country.
If its undergrad schoo were 'mediocre', then how come the majority of Canadian leaders did their undergrad studies at U of T? Explain.

Any field, any area really.
Law school? always no.1., according to rankings. But Osgoode Hall is another top choice, as it has double JD programs with NYU.
Med school? used to be no.1 for a long time, but now it's competing with McGill.
Business school? one of the best, along with York's Schulich, UWO's Ivey
Economics? always the top in the country.
Philosophy? indeed always the best (prof Brian Leiter at Chicago Law School knows it as well). McGill also has some renowned profs though.
Engineering? best, along with prob Waterloo.
Undergraduate programs? there hasn't been any comparison made. but it must be good, since it produced the most number of distinguished alumni in the country. It's divided up into colleges. If you prefer small, tightly-knit communities, Trinity College and Innis College are there for you.
And Trinity College is indeed selective. You need to write an extra essay that gets reviewed along with your other materials, in order to get in. You don't do this for any other university in Canada. Average entering grade for Ontario applicants was 91, which is a point higher than McGill's. (But you can still get into other 2nd, 3rd choice college and say I go to U of T. UTM and UTSC are satellite campuses which are stretched apart from downtown Toronto where St George campus is located. UTM, UTSC are both "un-selective" almost. The real U of T is the St George campus one.)


Law school, Med school and Rotmans MBA are all GRAD.
UofT is not selective at all except for Engineering and you can't say that At undergrad 'but it must be good, since it produced the most number of distinguished alumni in the country'. When compared to Mcgill,Queens and Waterloo they have way better undergrad programs that are much more competitive to get into and are overall better programs. Just check out Macleans rankings. I am not a former student but I know many students at UofT st.george and all of which say that their undergrad programs apart from Engineering are mediocre!
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S4pool
Law school, Med school and Rotmans MBA are all GRAD.
UofT is not selective at all except for Engineering and you can't say that At undergrad 'but it must be good, since it produced the most number of distinguished alumni in the country'. When compared to Mcgill,Queens and Waterloo they have way better undergrad programs that are much more competitive to get into and are overall better programs. Just check out Macleans rankings. I am not a former student but I know many students at UofT st.george and all of which say that their undergrad programs apart from Engineering are mediocre!


Obviously your friends must be engineering students at U of T, right?
Did you even read about my paragraph on Trinity College at U of T?
McGill and Queens are more selective? How come then, Trinity's entering average is higher than McGill's? Why is it that Trinity's entering average is 91 whereas McGill's is 90?
'Just check out Maclean's rankings'? Are you dumb?
U of T was ranked 1st by Maclean's for 12 years in a row, 1994~2005.
U of T and several other universities including UBC stopped giving Maclean's their data since 2006. This could be a reason why McGill has been 1st since that year.
Maclean's med/doctoral rankings, by the way, are not rankings of undergrad schools. There has not been any ranking in Canada that measured the qualities of undergrad schools.
In terms of grad/professional schools, U of T has the most selective law school (fact) and med school (arguable).

Plus, someone who nearly failed her IB Chemistry went to McGill, by the way. McGill isn't really that selective either. I saw their cutting scores, average scores and all. But I was well above them.

When you say something like "U of T is not selective at all", would you expand and elaborate a bit more than that? There isn't any evidence backing up your assertion. Admittedly, it's not hard to get into U of T on the whole, but getting into one college, namely, Trinity College, is very hard. (McGill students know this too btw) There are various levels of students at U of T, but at Trinity, the standards are high, arguably the highest in Canada.

I don't think any normal U of T student would say that U of T's engineering is excellent but other programs are mediocre. All the rankings that exist on this planet speak for themselves. Every single ranking, every single departmental/subject-focused ranking that exists ranks U of T among the best. (usually within top 30 globally) THES (Times) World University ranking has been placing U of T under top 20 for every subject field since 2007. (Only Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, Stanford, Berkeley and UCLA managed to do this)
Economics (John Kenneth Galbraith), literature (Margaret Atwood, Northrop Frye, John McCrae..), politics (produced the most number of PMs and Govs-general), natural sciences (affiliated with the most number of Nobel laureates in Canada) ... Just every single field really.

Furthermore, and lastly, at U of T, it is extremely difficult to graduate with a high GPA. (or even generally, graduating within 4 yrs is considered hard.) There has even been one newspaper article (of the Globe and Mail), which compared how Harvard is difficult to get into, whereas U of T is about as difficult to get out of. The article was written by a journalist who studied at both Harvard and U of T.
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jy9626
Obviously your friends must be engineering students at U of T, right?
Did you even read about my paragraph on Trinity College at U of T?
McGill and Queens are more selective? How come then, Trinity's entering average is higher than McGill's? Why is it that Trinity's entering average is 91 whereas McGill's is 90?
'Just check out Maclean's rankings'? Are you dumb?
U of T was ranked 1st by Maclean's for 12 years in a row, 1994~2005.
U of T and several other universities including UBC stopped giving Maclean's their data since 2006. This could be a reason why McGill has been 1st since that year.
Maclean's med/doctoral rankings, by the way, are not rankings of undergrad schools. There has not been any ranking in Canada that measured the qualities of undergrad schools.
In terms of grad/professional schools, U of T has the most selective law school (fact) and med school (arguable).

Plus, someone who nearly failed her IB Chemistry went to McGill, by the way. McGill isn't really that selective either. I saw their cutting scores, average scores and all. But I was well above them.

When you say something like "U of T is not selective at all", would you expand and elaborate a bit more than that? There isn't any evidence backing up your assertion. Admittedly, it's not hard to get into U of T on the whole, but getting into one college, namely, Trinity College, is very hard. (McGill students know this too btw) There are various levels of students at U of T, but at Trinity, the standards are high, arguably the highest in Canada.

I don't think any normal U of T student would say that U of T's engineering is excellent but other programs are mediocre. All the rankings that exist on this planet speak for themselves. Every single ranking, every single departmental/subject-focused ranking that exists ranks U of T among the best. (usually within top 30 globally) THES (Times) World University ranking has been placing U of T under top 20 for every subject field since 2007. (Only Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, Stanford, Berkeley and UCLA managed to do this)
Economics (John Kenneth Galbraith), literature (Margaret Atwood, Northrop Frye, John McCrae..), politics (produced the most number of PMs and Govs-general), natural sciences (affiliated with the most number of Nobel laureates in Canada) ... Just every single field really.

Furthermore, and lastly, at U of T, it is extremely difficult to graduate with a high GPA. (or even generally, graduating within 4 yrs is considered hard.) There has even been one newspaper article (of the Globe and Mail), which compared how Harvard is difficult to get into, whereas U of T is about as difficult to get out of. The article was written by a journalist who studied at both Harvard and U of T.

I was not talkign about how selective Queens or McGill were but how they had better undergrad programs. In terms of selectivity I guess Trinity college is selective but otherwise the other colleges enter many applicants. Toronto is known as a weeder school and kicks out many students. My bad not Macleans but I used globecampus.ca for rankings. I am not saying Toronto is a bad school not by any means just warning people that it does not have good Undergrad programs and that there are better programs elsewhere. I'm not going to do a comparison of each and every program and how selective it is and etc. I have just stated that Their undergrad programs are mediocre and you have nothing that can prove that they are not. Selectivity is only for Trinity college and only for some programs but otherwise ut you cant base how good a program is by how selective it is and even if you do Toronto loses out. In Engineering Waterloo is just as selelctive, business Queens,Schulich,ivey more slective, Sciences- Western and Mcgill. use CUDO to prove to me that UofT is more selective generally than the Universities I listed. And give me other peoples opinion on whether Toronto has good undergrad programs use studentforums if you have to. Anyways Im done wit harguing over the small difference in whether Toronto undergrad is mediocre or great!?
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S4pool
I was not talkign about how selective Queens or McGill were but how they had better undergrad programs. In terms of selectivity I guess Trinity college is selective but otherwise the other colleges enter many applicants. Toronto is known as a weeder school and kicks out many students. My bad not Macleans but I used globecampus.ca for rankings. I am not saying Toronto is a bad school not by any means just warning people that it does not have good Undergrad programs and that there are better programs elsewhere. I'm not going to do a comparison of each and every program and how selective it is and etc. I have just stated that Their undergrad programs are mediocre and you have nothing that can prove that they are not. Selectivity is only for Trinity college and only for some programs but otherwise ut you cant base how good a program is by how selective it is and even if you do Toronto loses out. In Engineering Waterloo is just as selelctive, business Queens,Schulich,ivey more slective, Sciences- Western and Mcgill. use CUDO to prove to me that UofT is more selective generally than the Universities I listed. And give me other peoples opinion on whether Toronto has good undergrad programs use studentforums if you have to. Anyways Im done wit harguing over the small difference in whether Toronto undergrad is mediocre or great!?


How do you just know that U of T's undergrad program is mediocre?
You are making presumptuous assumptions.
If selectivity is the main criterion, when it comes to judging a university's quality, then are ETH Zurich, Heidelberg and other European universities low-class universities? Definitely not, right?
Those unis are like U of T and they indirectly cut a lot of students in the course of their undergrad programs.
How do you just know that Queen's etc have better programs? Do you have proofs? (other than selectivity which would make all the prestigious European universities look stupid)
Really, how on earth could such undergrad programs that you describe to be below Queen's etc produce the most number of internationally well-known Canadians?
Do you have any real evidence? I;ve looked at the campus website thing you mentioned, and there was no implication of U of T's undergrad program being inferior to others.
As Clifford puts it, "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence."
It's where you end up in life that's important. "I was smart back then when i was in high school" is not as important. (if at all)

Western and MacMaster are well-known to be easier than U of T. So when life gets tough at U of T, some pre-med students say things like "mmm... Maybe I should transfer to Western". (what two of my friends were talking about a year ago) McGill, again, isn't really selective either. Admittedly I was an Oxford reject (post-interviews). When I turned my attention to Canada, the uni that stood out the most was U of T. So I applied there and got a scholarship offer. Personally, McGill, on the other hand, didn't seem like an attractive option, the fact that it's in Montreal (much colder than Toronto, Montreal's winter is brutal really and importantly, it's a city within the French speaking Quebec as well.) I didn't even bother to apply there. Why would I want to waste my application fee on a university which I don't even personally like, when there is another option that's more attractive?
My test scores and etc were well above their averages. (I've checked it) A friend of mine was given a scholarship offer from McGill, but chose U of T instead. He now complains that he should have gone there instead, since it's easier there.
Furthermore, in addition to the person who nearly failed her IB Chemistry, a person who used to get drunk all the time and rarely studied, ended up in McGill. I've heard that his grades were 'okay' though. I'm sure U of T also has some students like this person who would prob drop out eventually, but my point is that McGill isn't really that selective either. And McGill is in fact, the only Canadian university that's comparable to U of T. However Professor Brian Leiter at University of Chicago Law School even thinks no other university in Canada except U of T is comparable to top-tier US universities. According to him, McGill and UBC could probably be competitive with the 2nd tier unis.
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jy9626
How do you just know that U of T's undergrad program is mediocre?
You are making presumptuous assumptions.
If selectivity is the main criterion, when it comes to judging a university's quality, then are ETH Zurich, Heidelberg and other European universities low-class universities? Definitely not, right?
Those unis are like U of T and they indirectly cut a lot of students in the course of their undergrad programs.
How do you just know that Queen's etc have better programs? Do you have proofs? (other than selectivity which would make all the prestigious European universities look stupid)
Really, how on earth could such undergrad programs that you describe to be below Queen's etc produce the most number of internationally well-known Canadians?
Do you have any real evidence? I;ve looked at the campus website thing you mentioned, and there was no implication of U of T's undergrad program being inferior to others.
As Clifford puts it, "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence."
It's where you end up in life that's important. "I was smart back then when i was in high school" is not as important. (if at all)

Western and MacMaster are well-known to be easier than U of T. So when life gets tough at U of T, some pre-med students say things like "mmm... Maybe I should transfer to Western". (what two of my friends were talking about a year ago) McGill, again, isn't really selective either. Admittedly I was an Oxford reject (post-interviews). When I turned my attention to Canada, the uni that stood out the most was U of T. So I applied there and got a scholarship offer. Personally, McGill, on the other hand, didn't seem like an attractive option, the fact that it's in Montreal (much colder than Toronto, Montreal's winter is brutal really and importantly, it's a city within the French speaking Quebec as well.) I didn't even bother to apply there. Why would I want to waste my application fee on a university which I don't even personally like, when there is another option that's more attractive?
My test scores and etc were well above their averages. (I've checked it) A friend of mine was given a scholarship offer from McGill, but chose U of T instead. He now complains that he should have gone there instead, since it's easier there.
Furthermore, in addition to the person who nearly failed her IB Chemistry, a person who used to get drunk all the time and rarely studied, ended up in McGill. I've heard that his grades were 'okay' though. I'm sure U of T also has some students like this person who would prob drop out eventually, but my point is that McGill isn't really that selective either. And McGill is in fact, the only Canadian university that's comparable to U of T. However Professor Brian Leiter at University of Chicago Law School even thinks no other university in Canada except U of T is comparable to top-tier US universities. According to him, McGill and UBC could probably be competitive with the 2nd tier unis.

I agree with Brian Leiters view point. I know people at UofT and you are correct that they are IN Engineering. They also say that all programs are extremely difficult. I guess the reason behind the average undergrad program being mediocre is that there are huge class sizes and low admission requirements for the average program(not any faculty in particular). It is very difficult to stay at UofT and you are correct that in terms of difficulty UofT is above any other University in Canada. The info you have given me has changed my mind because as you say they seem to have the same admission requirements, and difficulty level way above other unis. So I guess I was wrong to say they were mediocre. But I was generalizing. Thank you for the information you shared with me otherwise I would have always thought that their undergrad programs are not that good based on Selectivity only and some other external factors. This has changed my outlook and I am sorry for arguing with you pointlessly. You are at UofT and you should know better.